Monitoring Wynn injury situation (Placed on IR)

DaBruinz · Sep 18, 2019

robertweathers said:
Why are posters carving out and disagreeing with the second part of my post by basically cut-n-pasting what I said in the first part of my OP?

So it's innacurate to say Wynn is having trouble staying healthy? Really?

Because that isn't what is happening. Seems to be an issue in understanding on your end..

You didn't say squat about Wynn's injuries being because of outside forces. Claiming so is completely disingenuous.

farn · Sep 18, 2019

FreeTedWilliams said:
The Pats have made 5 first rd picks since 2013, (a year after the double home run of Hightower and (sob) Chandler Jones).

During that time, only Marlon Brown has avoided the dreaded “injury prone” or “healthy adverse” for you more PC people, label.

Easley was a walking injury coming out of college and was cut after 2 years on IR.

Brown only missed a game or two, his fifth year option was not picked up.

Michel has been great, but has missed significant amounts of time.
Wynn has played 1 game in a season and a half and Harry has yet to see the field and will miss at least until week 9.

First set of the dynasty era, the first rounder was always a hit. Maroney was a dud, but even he had a solid first season. I wonder if BB has changed his value system. Maybe he figures that since the first rounder is a low pick (usually) it's worth gambling when you have a stacked roster.

But, I think that line of thinking is a stretch and I'd love to see NE get more out of their first rounders in the next few years. As time passes though, I've started caring less and less about the top of the draft. First - the team keeps rolling and winning. Second, NE grabs sooooo many former high picks from other teams and makes something out of them when others couldn't (KVN, Dorsett...). And their hits on UDFAs is amazing (JC, JJ).

I just hope they can keep this rolling despite high picks either not panning out or not staying on the field. Ultimately, that is all that matters.

RobertWeathers · Sep 18, 2019

DaBruinz said:
Because that isn't what is happening. Seems to be an issue in understanding on your end..

You didn't say squat about Wynn's injuries being because of outside forces. Claiming so is completely disingenuous.

Re-read my 1st post.

Brick27 · Sep 18, 2019

SBLIII said:
The issue is that the WR situation is very much up in the air.

Brown could end up on the exempt list making him unlikely to ever play again for NE. Gordon is simply unreliable.

Leaves you with Dorsett, Edelman, Meyers as safe options. In this case we will certainly need Harry.

If Edelman is hurt Sunday and deemed out for 9 weeks, it’d mean keeping him on the active roster, and hoping more injuries don’t occur to the point where some players on the active game day roster are hurt/not playable. Obviously Gordon and Brown are no safe bets. Harry is very much someone it’d be great to bring back. More so making the point that it’s not as clear cut as it may seem because of the reality of injuries, and the question of whether Belichick would go the IR route with say the Edelman scenario above vs. playing weeks 4 to 12 with essentially 52 at most on the roster.

luuked said:
That is where you just carry those players on the 53 and have to either make up the hole with multiple players on the roster or start reshuffling your verge players.

If Wynn's turf toe happened in W11+ that's what would happen to him. There is no reason not to use the IR-return route as soon as possible just in terms of roster management.

Yeah the roster management all makes sense. Just unfortunate to already have those two potential IR guys to return be key pieces, and have this potential shuffling beginning with the next key injury of someone. It’s also unfortunate that a significant player hurt this Sunday would be an unlikely IR candidate if they are able to come back later, and that they couldn’t fill the roster spot for the time being as conveniently as with Wynn. Such is life in the NFL though.

long distance · Sep 18, 2019

Guilty Isaiah for allowing himself to be injured in combat says hi.

Doesn't sound week-to-week..

Brandon_Cox · Sep 18, 2019

Anybody remember Marion (the Barbarian) Barber? He was a tough-as-nails old school running back mostly with Dallas. I remember seeing an interview with him on Sports Center and he was talking about all the injuries he played through, such as torn ligaments and broken bones. He said by far the most painful and debilitating injury, the one that ultimately ended his career, was turf toe. I'm glad they're giving Wynn a lot of time to get better. Turf toe can be way worse than it sounds.

RobertWeathers · Sep 18, 2019

Brandon_Cox said:
Anybody remember Marion (the Barbarian) Barber? He was a tough-as-nails old school running back mostly with Dallas. I remember seeing an interview with him on Sports Center and he was talking about all the injuries he played through, such as torn ligaments and broken bones. He said by far the most painful and debilitating injury, the one that ultimately ended his career, was turf toe. I'm glad they're giving Wynn a lot of time to get better. Turf toe can be way worse than it sounds.

Backfield mate of LoMo at MN.

Nehalem · Sep 18, 2019

Brick27 said:
If Edelman is hurt Sunday and deemed out for 9 weeks, it’d mean keeping him on the active roster, and hoping more injuries don’t occur to the point where some players on the active game day roster are hurt/not playable. Obviously Gordon and Brown are no safe bets. Harry is very much someone it’d be great to bring back. More so making the point that it’s not as clear cut as it may seem because of the reality of injuries, and the question of whether Belichick would go the IR route with say the Edelman scenario above vs. playing weeks 4 to 12 with essentially 52 at most on the roster.

Yeah the roster management all makes sense. Just unfortunate to already have those two potential IR guys to return be key pieces, and have this potential shuffling beginning with the next key injury of someone. It’s also unfortunate that a significant player hurt this Sunday would be an unlikely IR candidate if they are able to come back later, and that they couldn’t fill the roster spot for the time being as conveniently as with Wynn. Such is life in the NFL though.

If Edelman then it is likely Jakobi Meyers takes his spot on the game day active roster. If all WRs stay healthy its likely Meyers continues to be inactive.

So from a 53 player roster perspective there really isn't a change from now.

zydecochris · Sep 18, 2019

robertweathers said:
Of course. Hes been injury plagued. But hes looked great while hes been in there and lets home hes ready Week 10ish

It is common for a player coming back from one type of foot/leg injury to overcompensate and get another injury (look at what happened to Durant and Thompson on the Warriors in the NBA playoff series alone). I think the original plan was to ease Wynn in much more slowly. But then the a number of unexpected circumstances occurred:

Jared Veldheer retires
Yodny Cajuste has a longer than expected recovery from injury and doesn't make the field
David Andrews very unexpectedly is put on IR because of blood clots

If Veldheer or Cajuste could have started the year at LT, Wynn could have been eased in later. And, even without Veldheer and Cajuste, if Andrews hadn't been injured the Pats could have started the year with Thuney at LT and Karras at LG.

However with all three injuries (not to mention Cannon's temporary unavailability) I think the Pats had little choice but to trot Wynn out there, especially with Wynn looking so good.

Nunchucks · Sep 18, 2019

Turf toe is just one of those random injuries that can happen to anybody.

borg · Sep 18, 2019

Nunchucks said:
Turf toe is just one of those random injuries that can happen to anybody.

More likely for injury prone types though

PatsFan2 · Sep 18, 2019

BB on newly acquired OT Caleb Benenoch "he played both inside and outside and played both very well." Bucs fans did this on the Inside part. Caleb Benenoch seems more RT to me in a pinch wouldn't want to see him on Brady's Blind side.

Deus Irae · Sep 18, 2019

Mike the Brit said:
I disagree. Injury prone means liable to be injured. Being frequently injured is good evidence for proneness to injury, but injury-proneness is a disposition, not a historical fact.

I quoted the definition, and supplied the link. You're literally arguing against the dictionary, on a non-controversial, non-politicized word. I'll leave you to battle it out against Webster's.

Let me give you a start to that. Here's Webster's definition of "Prone":

prone
adjective
\ ˈprōn \
Definition of prone
1 : having a tendency or inclination : being likely prone to forget names accident-prone

Definition of PRONE

luuked · Sep 18, 2019

long distance said:
Guilty Isaiah for allowing himself to be injured in combat says hi.

Doesn't sound week-to-week..

He has been posting motivational quotes every Wednesday. I would not read too much into it apart from him getting a mandated break.

luuked · Sep 18, 2019

zydecochris said:
It is common for a player coming back from one type of foot/leg injury to overcompensate and get another injury (look at what happened to Durant and Thompson on the Warriors in the NBA playoff series alone).

You are conflating things together that have absolutely nothing in common. How is turf toe related at all to overcompensating ?

Wynn had two random injuries and people try once again to spin a narrative out of it because they can't deal with the randomness of the universe. Often **** just happens and there is no way to anticipate or prevent it.

captain stone · Sep 18, 2019

Nunchucks said:
Turf toe is just one of those random injuries that can happen to anybody...

...especially to those who have been compensating for a previous injury to their Achilles' tendon.

Redman443 · Sep 18, 2019

With Wynn gone for a while, Looks like we are going to roll with Benonetch, Thuney, Karras. Cannon and Mason unless cannon cant go, in that case it would be Newhouse

Nunchucks · Sep 18, 2019

captain stone said:
...especially to those who have been compensating for a previous injury to their Achilles' tendon.

Not related at all. Getting turf toe is more like bad luck than anything else.

Turf toe: Symptoms, treatment, and recovery

borg · Sep 18, 2019

Deus Irae said:
I quoted the definition, and supplied the link. You're literally arguing against the dictionary, on a non-controversial, non-politicized word. I'll leave you to battle it out against Webster's.

Let me give you a start to that. Here's Webster's definition of "Prone":

Definition of PRONE

Wynn is prone to missing games because of injuries.
Wynn's proneness can be quantified:
27 missed games/29 total games (thru week 10 of 2019) = 93%

SBLIII · Sep 18, 2019

Redman443 said:
With Wynn gone for a while, Looks like we are going to roll with Benonetch, Thuney, Karras. Cannon and Mason unless cannon cant go, in that case it would be Newhouse

does the practice report say that?

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