Eli Manning benched

nabwong said:

My thought is that it was a tale of 2 "penalties". That missed call on a hold on Seymour and Ninko being offsides. Darn it.

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The Giants recovering all their fumbles, the great catch by Manningham and the drop by Welker get all the attention, but the Ninkovich penalty was an under the radar killer in that game. If he stays onside, it's 4th and 7 and the Giants are punting from their own 11 yard line. In theory, the Patriots get the ball back around the 30 or so, instead of their own 8 yard line. With better field position, they might have been able to put up a FG on that drive. At a minimum, they'd have more time left on their final drive if the Giants answered with a TD.

Regarding Eli and his HOF career records, in general, if you look at him compared to Rivers and Roethlisberger, a lot of their numbers are in same ball park. They all came into the league the same year and they are ranked 6,7 and 8 all time in passing yards and passing TDs. Where Manning falls behind the other two (besides winning percentage) is passer rating (Rivers is 9th, Ben 12th, Eli 45th) and career interceptions. Eli is the active leader and is 14th all time with 241. Ben ranks 31st with 191 and Rivers is 40th with 180.

sambam94 said:

116-116 regular season record ..and some feel he is a hall of famer? please

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Maybe he and Jeff Fisher can go into the HOF together and share a yellow sport coat.

Jim Plunkett not getting in sets the precedent that 2 SB wins doesn't get you into the HOF by itself when accompanied by an otherwise mediocre resume. So no, Eli should not be a HOFer. At no point in his career was he one of the 5 best quarterbacks in the league, and for most of his career he wasn't even top 10.

That he will get in is a testament to how dumb HOF voters are and how ******** the whole process is.

Time for him to retire already.

TommyD4207 said:

JAX

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No thank you.

We got Minshew. That mustache alone isn’t worth trading

SamusAranX said:

No thank you.

We got Minshew. That mustache alone isn’t worth trading

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That guy. I’m wishing him the best. His style is worth having around.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Even with the .500 record (like Namath), he is 8 yds behind Big Ben for 6th overall in career passing yards, he is getting in. Whether he is a HOF worthy is another question but his pedigree and 2 rings get him in. Plunkett is the only 2 time SB winning QB NOT in the HOF..

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Putting in a QB who was never for even one season a top tier QB in the NFL would just make a mockery of the HOF.

Not saying it couldn't happen.

TruthSeeker said:

Putting in a QB who was never for even one season a top tier QB in the NFL would just make a mockery of the HOF.

Not saying it couldn't happen.

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Wouldn’t say it’s a mockery. Many players have gotten in who helped define NFl history, such as Namath (never a statistical beacon, but had the “guarantee”). Eli more than meets that standard

libra957 said:

Time for him to retire already.

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I get the “time” reference (he’s endorsed by Seiko)

SamusAranX said:

Wouldn’t say it’s a mockery. Many players have gotten in who helped define NFl history, such as Namath (never a statistical beacon, but had the “guarantee”). Eli more than meets that standard

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Namath:

2X AFL MVP (including the season the Jets beat the Colts)
All-AFL (All-Pro) 1966, 67, 68, 69
NFL 2nd Team All-Pro 1972

He outclasses Eli by miles. He was an elite QB for a decent chunk of his career. His stats are taken out of context by those who don’t understand the norms of that era.

It amazes me how much pats fans hate Eli. That’s how bitter y’all are. This guy missed 1 start since he became the starter and that’s because he got scapegoated.

Eli was never the guy that was going to carry a team. Ben, Tom, brees, and Peyton rarely I’d ever had a bad offensive line. Eli’s been dealing it with it for years. Coughlin and co got the most out of their lines.

Eli is absolutely a hall of famer

Florio has been hitting the pipe hard and whatever is in it sure isn't his friend

To get the most out of Daniel Jones, the Giants should release Eli Manning

maust1013 said:

Florio has been hitting the pipe hard and whatever is in it sure isn't his friend

To get the most out of Daniel Jones, the Giants should release Eli Manning

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The giants are a joke for this. They totally botched this situation and did wrong by Eli who has given that organization all he had. Where the **** was John Mara today? No presser? That’s pathetic

I’ve actually agreed with a lot of gettleman moves, but having both of these guys was pointless. Eli should’ve been gone back in March

He’s been garbage the last few years and this is probably the best move for the franchise. They have arguably the best back in the league so that will take the pressure off him, and even though it’s New York, it’s better to go 3-13 with a rookie than a washed up QB.

BelichicksHoodie said:

He’s been garbage the last few years and this is probably the best move for the franchise. They have arguably the best back in the league so that will take the pressure off him, and even though it’s New York, it’s better to go 3-13 with a rookie than a washed up QB.

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Could’ve let Eli go the beginning of the season and used that money to sign players and then drafted jones.

fightingirish595 said:

It amazes me how much pats fans hate Eli. That’s how bitter y’all are. This guy missed 1 start since he became the starter and that’s because he got scapegoated.

Eli was never the guy that was going to carry a team. Ben, Tom, brees, and Peyton rarely I’d ever had a bad offensive line. Eli’s been dealing it with it for years. Coughlin and co got the most out of their lines.

Eli is absolutely a hall of famer

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A huge amount of people outside of NY, and many even in NY, do not believe he’s a Hall of Fame player. It’s kind of insulting to chalk it up as “bitter” when the argument has teeth. He’s been largely a mediocrity for his entire career outside 8 games 2007 and 2011.

Scapegoated? Wake up, man...Eli has sucked balls for years, including when McAdoo benched him. He is slow to read defenses and makes offensive lines look worse than they are. There’s a reason why the quarterbacks you listed don’t have the same types of “bad” offensive lines. Hey, wasn’t Brady playing down both tackles and his starting center just two days ago?

fightingirish595 said:

The giants are a joke for this. They totally botched this situation and did wrong by Eli who has given that organization all they had. Where the **** was John Mara today? No presser? That’s pathetic

I’ve actually agreed with a lot of gettleman moves, but having both of these guys was pointless. Eli should’ve been gone back in March

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When a player gets benched, the owner is supposed to hold a press conference now???

My god .... will the “everyone gets a trophy” crowd survive in such a cruel world???

fightingirish595 said:

It amazes me how much pats fans hate Eli. That’s how bitter y’all are. This guy missed 1 start since he became the starter and that’s because he got scapegoated.

Eli was never the guy that was going to carry a team. Ben, Tom, brees, and Peyton rarely I’d ever had a bad offensive line. Eli’s been dealing it with it for years. Coughlin and co got the most out of their lines.

Eli is absolutely a hall of famer

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Barely top 50 in all time QB stats ... doesn't deserve it.

maust1013 said:

That prognostication seems a tad premature, a few weeks is a long time in the NFL

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You're right. With the strangeness of this season and quarterbacks, it would hardly surprise me to hear that we'll be facing a Giants team led by a young quarterback named Jarrett Stidham.

fightingirish595 said:

The giants are a joke for this. They totally botched this situation and did wrong by Eli who has given that organization all he had. Where the **** was John Mara today? No presser? That’s pathetic

I’ve actually agreed with a lot of gettleman moves, but having both of these guys was pointless. Eli should’ve been gone back in March

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He has earned the right to go out on his own terms, he took a lot of bullets for the incompetence of that front office