Antonio Brown

I’d be shocked if Goodell doesn’t stick him on the exempt list. Proof be damned, they won’t interview the accuser and then not punish AB. It’s bad optics because it looks like they decided she isn’t telling the truth.

Kdo5 said:

I’d be shocked if Goodell doesn’t stick him on the exempt list. Proof be damned, they won’t interview the accuser and then not punish AB. It’s bad optics because it looks like they decided she isn’t telling the truth.

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exactly...

According to McCann, the NFL is under no obligation to even talk to Brown before suspending him with pay. Brown does have a right to a hearing before any suspension without pay after the investigation is complete.
See this tweet and thread:

What time did this interview start? This report

Kdo5 said:

I’d be shocked if Goodell doesn’t stick him on the exempt list. Proof be damned, they won’t interview the accuser and then not punish AB. It’s bad optics because it looks like they decided she isn’t telling the truth.

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The truth is this is bad optics no matter what, because one way or the other they are interjecting themselves into a legal case that is making its way thru court. This is in no way fair to either AB or the young lady who is accusing him, and once again the NFL can't get out of their own way, another stupid decision by the league. They should have stayed out of this or just place him on the exempt list without any interviews.

so exempt list with pay only hurts the Pats, AB still gets paid. Of course that's what Goodell will do.

QuantumMechanic said:

According to McCann, the NFL is under no obligation to even talk to Brown before suspending him with pay. Brown does have a right to a hearing before any suspension without pay after the investigation is complete.
See this tweet and thread:

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Interesting, how the NFL conversely never listened to or took seriously real victims of Hardy, etc.

In it's $multimillion campaign to defame Tom and us, the NFL did not spend 10 seconds listening to anyone with a brain or basic knowledge of physics.

Notice how all this **** is coming out only after AB came here.

I get the feeling he won’t be put on the exemption list. It could happen but I doubt it

QuantumMechanic said:

It's surprising to me that any NE fan would think Goodell would do the fair, impartial thing.
Also, since at least some people seem not to get it, I'm not wanting Goodell to suspend Brown, I'm expecting it. He's a craven little finger to the wind pissant, so of course I'm taking the public sentiment angle.

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Goodell is not a logical, legal procedure. He is the Roman emperor at the Colosseum ready to go thumbs up or down based on the roar of the crowd. Deflategate went forward despite the fact the evidence of the claims was quickly undercut by science and evidence. He rerouted to another path to achieve his goal when he lacked evidence to support the original theory. It is amusing how quickly inflation pressure and testing became a non-issue when other QBs were later called out.

What he offers is not due process. It is his ends-oriented process. The only question for him is what the public wants, and whether the crowd favorites in this story can quickly be swept in to later discipline if he makes his response too specific.

The amusing question here will be if the NFL intends to investigate every unsworn allegation against a player facing a civil tort claim of some sort. The smart play would be no police report, no video of the incident, then leave it to the legal process to sort out. I don't expect he will be intelligent. From there, he takes his first step down the slippery slope and finds the NFL investigators subpoenaed and deposed for every conflict that arises with a NFL player - current or former.

Soliel said:

I get the feeling he won’t be put on the exemption list. It could happen but I doubt it

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IMO it’s 80% chance he is put on exempt list. It’s about optics, not fairness or pursuit of the truth.

MassPats38 said:

Goodell is not a logical, legal procedure. He is the Roman emperor at the Colosseum ready to go thumbs up or down based on the roar of the crowd. Deflategate went forward despite the fact the evidence of the claims was quickly undercut by science and evidence. He rerouted to another path to achieve his goal when he lacked evidence to support the original theory. It is amusing how quickly inflation pressure and testing became a non-issue when other QBs were later called out.

What he offers is not due process. It is his ends-oriented process. The only question for him is what the public wants, and whether the crowd favorites in this story can quickly be swept in to later discipline if he makes his response too specific.

The amusing question here will be if the NFL intends to investigate every unsworn allegation against a player facing a civil tort claim of some sort. The smart play would be no police report, no video of the incident, then leave it to the legal process to sort out. I don't expect he will be intelligent. From there, he takes his first step down the slippery slope and finds the NFL investigators subpoenaed and deposed for every conflict that arises with a NFL player - current or former.

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Commodus! born Lucius Aurelius Commodus what a gladiator post.

MassPats38 said:

Goodell is not a logical, legal procedure. He is the Roman emperor at the Colosseum ready to go thumbs up or down based on the roar of the crowd. Deflategate went forward despite the fact the evidence of the claims was quickly undercut by science and evidence. He rerouted to another path to achieve his goal when he lacked evidence to support the original theory. It is amusing how quickly inflation pressure and testing became a non-issue when other QBs were later called out.

What he offers is not due process. It is his ends-oriented process. The only question for him is what the public wants, and whether the crowd favorites in this story can quickly be swept in to later discipline if he makes his response too specific.

The amusing question here will be if the NFL intends to investigate every unsworn allegation against a player facing a civil tort claim of some sort. The smart play would be no police report, no video of the incident, then leave it to the legal process to sort out. I don't expect he will be intelligent. From there, he takes his first step down the slippery slope and finds the NFL investigators subpoenaed and deposed for every conflict that arises with a NFL player - current or former.

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Nope, everybody's complicit in the golden rule:

Pile on the Patriots.

Precedent, consequences, facts, patterns and consistency are all thrown out.

MassPats38 said:

The amusing question here will be if the NFL intends to investigate every unsworn allegation against a player facing a civil tort claim of some sort. The smart play would be no police report, no video of the incident, then leave it to the legal process to sort out. I don't expect he will be intelligent. From there, he takes his first step down the slippery slope and finds the NFL investigators subpoenaed and deposed for every conflict that arises with a NFL player - current or former.

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As to that last, McCann does say in that thread that yes, the NFL could be subpoenaed to say what they learned from the people they spoke to in a subsequent civil or criminal trial involving those people. Which, if the NFL had a sane commissioner, would easily lead to a policy of staying out of things (at least when a case is only civil) until the legal process completed or at least got a lot further along.

Of course, we have the commissioner we have, not the commissioner we want, so I'm sure he'll screw it up.

PatsFan2 said:

Commodus! born Lucius Aurelius Commodus what a gladiator post.

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A thousand years from now, public restrooms will be referred to as "the goodell"

It’s the nfl, they only need one side of the story.

An interesting point was made in this thread about the timing of how the talks with the NFLPA could affect Heir Goodell’s decision making. If there weren’t CBA talks going on Brown would probably already be on the exempt list.

Those videos are out there yet the media and whoever are ignoring them. Goodell will pretend like he hasn’t seen them.

Kdo5 said:

IMO it’s 80% chance he is put on exempt list. It’s about optics, not fairness or pursuit of the truth.

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I don’t think this is a bad take. The only reason I disagree is because the tyreek hill situation was arguably worse optics and it’s fairly obvious he “could have committed a crime” and goodell did nothing.

TommyBrady12 said:

I wish Brady continued his case to the Supreme Court with a final attempt to strip some of Goodell's powers...

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So do I, but I also wanted him to be tarred and feathered in Faneuil Hall, then held in a pillory in Gillette Stadium's parking lot so that all could laugh at him while children poked him with sticks. But we don't always get what we want.

Inquiring minds want to know I wonder how far Britney Pinocchio Taylor's nose grew in that tedious ten hour meeting??

NashuaPats said:

So do I, but I also wanted him to be tarred and feathered in Faneuil Hall, then held in a pillory in Gillette Stadium's parking so that all could laugh at him while children poked him with sticks. But we don't always get what we want.

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We need a new T shirt with Goodell in the stocks, covered in rotten tomatoes