Antonio Brown

sambam94 · Sep 16, 2019

just curious on others opinions on the Goodell meeting today with the accuser. Obviously she will stick to her story..then what? Goodell believes her and puts AB on the exempt list, breaking precedent? He can't come out and say he doesn't believe her. And Goodell is somehow qualified to ascertain when someone is lying or telling the truth?

upstater1 · Sep 16, 2019

PP2 said:
Why is ESPN breaking all this now? They were so hard on about getting this out there that their article actually contains several factual errors.

And no, she wasn't "getting her money." She was threatening to go public unless there was some sort of monetary settlement- basically legalized extortion. He declined, and she went public at just the right time.

First, the investigation regarding the second woman was by SI, not ESPN. Second, she never threatened to go public. In fact, she had filed the lawsuit to get her money. This only went public because SI did a search (it's called reporting) to see if there were any pending legal cases against Brown in the Pittsburgh area. She never publicized this at all. She simply sued him to get paid.

venecol · Sep 16, 2019

karguy85 said:
My thoughts on the situation are the following: this is obviously a tough spot for the Patriots to be in. Had they known about the lawsuit and all of the other incidents surrounding Brown prior to Brown being released, they probably wouldn't have signed him. Due to the nature of his release and his all-pro talent, they didn't do enough due diligence when they signed him. It is what it is.

Now concerning the civil case, and the other incidents, it would set bad precedent for the Patriots to sit Brown or release him based on a civil complaint and rumor and innuendo. Mostly, it would be bad precedent for other players, and may make some players think that the Patriots "don't have their back."

From a PR standpoint, it would obviously be better for the Patriots to just sit him or cut bait.

The Patriots are now in an impossibly difficult situation. The best way to handle the situation in the long-term is to wait to see how the situation develops and how the league's investigation turns out.

Umm, you're in the wrong thread, being reasonable is not allowed here.

QuantumMechanic · Sep 16, 2019

Todd Bradley said:
They could try, but then the NFLPA will step in and this becomes a death match.

According to the rules, you can't place a player on the exempt list for a civil lawsuit, only criminal.

Simply put. they need a bit more than an accusation and a civil suit to take it to the next level.

That's not what the rule says. It also says "if the Commissioner reasonably suspects a crime of violence" has happened he can put someone on the exempt list while the investigation plays out.

And since Roger's decisions in these things are for all intents and purposes unreviewable, that gives him all he needs to suspend Brown once he talks to Taylor, Brown, and the unnamed rookie this week.

The only way he's not suspending Brown during the investigation is if he doesn't want to rile up the NFLPA this close to the expiration of the current CBA. And even then, he'll probably still suspend Brown because having to hear about how the NFL "supports rape culture", are "apologists for rape", and campaigns against NFL advertisers etc., etc. is going to turn the heat up too high on him and the owners. I mean hell, with companies backing off (or in some cases) banning the classic Betsy Ross flag because of whiners, I would expect a concerted campaign against NFL advertisers -- as they are known to be total cavers -- who will in turn put a lot of pressure on the NFL.

venecol · Sep 16, 2019

Patstastic said:
Exactly. He's probably sick to his stomach to have this guy wear his uniform.

Or he's excited they used a large towel to cover his junk at the spa.

Patstastic · Sep 16, 2019

sambam94 said:
just curious on others opinions on the Goodell meeting today with the accuser. Obviously she will stick to her story..then what? Goodell believes her and puts AB on the exempt list, breaking precedent? He can't come out and say he doesn't believe her. And Goodell is somehow qualified to ascertain when someone is lying or telling the truth?

Amother poster said the P.A. would grievance a scenario where AB is put on the exempt list without evidence. Thing is, I don't think the P.A. can do anything in that situation.

Patstastic · Sep 16, 2019

venecol said:
Or he's excited they used a large towel to cover his junk at the spa.

Couldn't help but chuckle at this lol.

venecol · Sep 16, 2019

sambam94 said:
just curious on others opinions on the Goodell meeting today with the accuser. Obviously she will stick to her story..then what? Goodell believes her and puts AB on the exempt list, breaking precedent? He can't come out and say he doesn't believe her. And Goodell is somehow qualified to ascertain when someone is lying or telling the truth?

First question will be: "Did you save the dress?"

mosslost · Sep 16, 2019

karguy85 said:
The best way to handle the situation in the long-term is to wait to see how the situation develops and how the league's investigation turns out.

And ball out.

TB_Helmet · Sep 16, 2019

upstater1 said:
First, the investigation regarding the second woman was by SI, not ESPN. Second, she never threatened to go public. In fact, she had filed the lawsuit to get her money. This only went public because SI did a search (it's called reporting) to see if there were any pending legal cases against Brown in the Pittsburgh area. She never publicized this at all. She simply sued him to get paid.

She didn't even file a lawsuit. She got paid $2000 but really wanted a piece of art back that she'd brought to his house and never got back because he broke off contact with her the day after he appeared to her with a small hand towel covering his junk.

If these are indeed fabricated allegations then they are very specific and detailed.

The next day, Brown told the woman he was heading to Miami. She still believed she’d finish the mural, which her small but growing social media following anxiously awaited, when Brown returned. But days turned into weeks with no contact from Brown. She’d brought another painting to his home, inspired by the concept of Dead Days—a term used in Cook County (Ill.) prisons to describe when prisoners spend more time incarcerated during pre-trial than their eventual sentences—and she hoped he’d share it on social media to raise awareness of the cause. That work was stranded in Brown’s house, she says, and it has not been returned. His various assistants, who had been warm to her for two days, no longer answered text messages. Brown paid her $2,000 for her days of work but otherwise “ghosted” her, she says.

The woman is not pursuing charges or remuneration, though she was bothered by his behavior. She said that friends with whom she had shared details of this incident alerted her to the federal lawsuit Taylor filed against Brown last week.

As for NYF, social media messages and emails sent to Brown and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, by both the artist and Hanson requesting the $700 payment for the original auction painting, have gone unanswered, according to the artist and Hanson.

“We didn’t want to sue,” says Hanson, “because our mission is all about seeing the good in people and lifting people up. Part of me has to believe that at some point, one of these grown men are going to realize that they shouldn’t be stealing from a charity run by black women benefiting children. I have to believe that.”

QuantumMechanic · Sep 16, 2019

sambam94 said:
just curious on others opinions on the Goodell meeting today with the accuser. Obviously she will stick to her story..then what? Goodell believes her and puts AB on the exempt list, breaking precedent? He can't come out and say he doesn't believe her. And Goodell is somehow qualified to ascertain when someone is lying or telling the truth?

That's exactly why Brown will be placed on the list. Goodell and the NFL will be terrified of being portrayed as not believing a rape victim, regardless of how false that may be.

Kdo5 · Sep 16, 2019

Todd Bradley said:
The guy just got caught in a human trafficking sting and is the focus of many hundreds of thousands of jokes and memes detailing the handjobs he received.

I think Kraft out of anyone can sympathize with AB....if...he's innocent

Bend over Bob has no leg to stand on in terms of moral judgement. He has not much right to feel “sickened”.

Todd Bradley · Sep 16, 2019

Kdo5 said:
Bend over Bob has no leg to stand on in terms of moral judgement. He has not much right to feel “sickened”.

Hey I'm not disagreeing with you here.

karguy85 · Sep 16, 2019

venecol said:
Umm, you're in the wrong thread, being reasonable is not allowed here.

Maybe it's because I have a legal background, but it seems pretty clear that this is the only course that Patriots can really take at this point. All the conjecture on this board has no practical effect on what the actual outcome will be.

Kdo5 · Sep 16, 2019

Todd Bradley said:
Hey I'm not disagreeing with you here.

It was directed at the person you quoted and in agreement with you.

Uptown · Sep 16, 2019

Apologies if already posted.

TN patriot fan · Sep 16, 2019

Todd Bradley said:
It's definitely a distraction, but I don't think Belichick is cutting arguably the best receiver in the league (which makes this offense into an all-time juggernaut) unless it's a proven fact he did something wrong.

Belichick gives exactly one-sixteenth of a rat's a-- what any of us thinks about AB. As he should.

TB_Helmet · Sep 16, 2019

People should really read the full article, there's a lot more in it then just this complaint involving the small hand towel.

Messed up:

Goodrich’s newest client, Jeff Leung of Aqua World Pet Super Center in Pittsburgh, says he installed a 220-gallon tank at Brown’s residence and filled it with piranhas at Brown’s request in June 2018. Last December he received a call from Brown’s house, well past midnight, indicating an emergency with the fish. He arrived to a tank covered in algae due to inattention, and the inimitable odor of dead, rotting piranha. He recommended Brown discontinue the aquarium and pay him the more than $2,000 Brown owed him. Goodrich says Brown did only the former, which is why Leung is now considering a lawsuit.

Already been reported, still messed up:

Brown’s run-ins with police became stranger and more frequent over the past two years. In April 2018, Sunny Isles (Fla.) police were called to his residence on three consecutive days. On April 23 he called police to report that, upon returning from an 11-day trip, he discovered a handgun and a tote bag containing $80,000 had been stolen from a closet in his apartment. The next day police returned to the apartment after a call reporting that furniture was being thrown to the street from the 14th-floor balcony. Police reported Brown was “very agitated” and yelling that building security had set him up. According to lawsuits filed by the building’s landlord and the family of a 22-month-old boy who was nearly struck by furniture as he walked with his grandfather (which was settled for an undisclosed amount in April), Brown was throwing the items from the apartment in a fit of rage.

Charges never filed, but there was a police report:

According to a Hollywood (Fla.) Police Department report, on Jan. 18, Wiltrice Jackson, who had a daughter with Brown, and the receiver were involved in a domestic dispute. Jackson arrived at Brown’s Hollywood residence seeking reimbursement for their daughter’s hair appointment. A shouting match ensued as Brown refused to let her into his residence, and, per the report, Brown pushed her, causing her to fall backward. Jackson suffered a cut on her left forearm. The next day, Jackson arrived at the Hollywood Police Department to say she didn’t want to press charges, and none were ever filed. Brown’s attorney, Darren Heitner, released a statement claiming, in part, “The closed police report proves that Antonio Brown did absolutely nothing wrong.” Sports Illustrated was unable to reach Jackson through multiple phone numbers connected to her name.

Plenty of other stuff in there too. The point being that if you want to go after the trainer's character when you choose not to believe her, you probably should take AB's character into account too, because this guy is a lunatic (perhaps due to CTE, sadly). And for the record, I still don't know whom to believe until more evidence comes out.

SHOWTIME15 · Sep 16, 2019

Todd Bradley said:
Not a soul in here is debating that.

Guy is a headcase, no doubt. Doesn't mean he's a rapist.

He's still a major distraction. Do you think Bill is thrilled with this?

slash83 · Sep 16, 2019

TommyBrady12 said:
He's still a major distraction. Do you think Bill is thrilled with this?

Course not, he enjoys winning though, and Brown helps with that. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they say enough is enough and cut ties even before this is played out. I think they should let it play out, but won’t surprise me if his days are numbered.

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