Antonio Brown

Th3Birdman said:

I'm not exactly sure if you're serious or not, but my response was tongue-in-cheek, in that the other poster was treating this as if this was a competition to win, as if your inability to provide an example of women using MeToo as a platform for political/financial gain would mean they win the argument.

Obviously, this person didn't know that there are women out there using MeToo for personal gain, which is weird considering they're using the internet to post here...which is the same tool that could be used to figure this stuff out. Zoe is the most prominent example, as she caused the biggest scandal in gaming, so if they didn't know about her, then they don't know anything about this topic and are simply virtue signaling.

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I know it's more this tit-for-tat mentality that seems to grip people when serious subjects are broached becomes a little tiresome (yes, I know we're on the same "side" of it being used for personal gain; something which annoys me no end). I've also pulled three links and included them in the original response post to @Hercules Rockefeller.

Hercules Rockefeller said:

Incredible. This is basically the worst possible answer.

Metoo took off late 2017, GamerGate started in 2014. So you failed to respond to the topic at hand. Furthermore, gotdamn I cannot think of anything more Loser than caring about that stupid scandal. You got big thoughts on Ethics In Gaming Journalism, dude? Deeply embarrassing. Go cry it out with Ian Miles Cheong and the other incel dorks.

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You do realise the accused recently committed suicide after it escalated through the MeToo movement?

Hercules Rockefeller said:

Incredible. This is basically the worst possible answer.

Metoo took off late 2017, GamerGate started in 2014. So you failed to respond to the topic at hand. Furthermore, gotdamn I cannot think of anything more Loser than caring about that stupid scandal. You got big thoughts on Ethics In Gaming Journalism, dude? Deeply embarrassing. Go cry it out with Ian Miles Cheong and the other incel dorks.

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This post precisely proves my point that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Gamer gate was the precursor to this nonsense but that’s not what I’m talking about. Zoe Quinn literally just accused a man a few days ago who then committed suicide as a result, genius.

Not too quick on the uptake there are you?

Eff Brown. I just want to go back to watching Devlin light people up at the LOS.

Battling a little traveling insomnia.

I've read everything. Emails (gross). Her statement. ABs lawyer's shredding of her. NEP statement.

Gut reaction is she asked for $, tried to shake him down ,he told her no and the civil suit is a means to hopefully get him to settle out of court

There are many reasons pertaining to why women don't come forward but not going to the police and right to a civil suit seems very peculiar.

The WR core is built as if this is it for Brady and Belichick. I am hoping we get a full season and SB runs from each of them.

ausbacker said:

You do realise the accused recently committed suicide after it escalated through the MeToo movement?

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Yes. I have read about it. I do not for a moment believe Zoe Quinn or any hashtags online to be responsible for that man killing himself.

Hercules Rockefeller said:

Yes. I have read about it. I do not for a moment believe Zoe Quinn or any hashtags online to be responsible for that man killing himself.

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First you assumed I was referring to Gamer Gate, so you're lying that you read about it. You probably just looked it up.

And to even suggest that him losing his job wasn't responsible for him subsequently killing himself due to those accusations is laughable at best, and completely insensitive at worst. That man was suffering from depression.

This is why no one should take you seriously at this point. We're done here.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I’d rather they just give him a 6 game suspension right now and have him for half the season and postseason. You just get the feeling that the hammer of justice lands on the Friday before the AFCCG with Goodell calling an emergency news conference from a pseudo-Oval Office to let the nation know he’s fair but just, and Brown is not above the hallowed laws of the National Football League’s conscientious commissioner.

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The first thing the NFL needs to do is stop investigating these matters as they stink doing it.

Th3Birdman said:

This post precisely proves my point that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Gamer gate was the precursor to this nonsense but that’s not what I’m talking about. Zoe Quinn literally just accused a man a few days ago who then committed suicide as a result, genius.

Not too quick on the uptake there are you?

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You talked about how she "caused the biggest scandal in gaming", which was GamerGate, so I responded to that. We are going to have to agree to disagree on who is to blame for a guy killing himself after being accused by multiple women of sexual misconduct, then being fired by his company after they find the accusations to have been credible and corroborated.

Hercules Rockefeller said:

Good examples all, although only the last one really involves monetizing the movement, and it occurred in 2016, MeToo took off in October 2017 (I do not endorse Lisa Bloom's shenanigans). I am with you that not everyone who has had a MeToo story is on the up and up (the Aziz Ansari accusation was the most bizarre I can recall), but I do not agree that a few bad examples spoils the good that has come from it. For every big figure like Harvey Weinstein and Matt Lauer that is taken down, there are hundreds of women sharing their story using the hashtag on social media as a way to get something off their chest. I think that is good and healthy. I remain skeptical about people's monetizing their trauma, real or alleged, but my bigger point was that I disagreed with you that the movement has been discredited due to a few bad actors. I think it still has validity. I do appreciate your taking the time to find receipts and I take back any clown-nosed accusations made.

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Regarding the bold, that's what I would like it to amount to, real generational change and promoting an environment where real victims can come forward and share their stories (through whichever medium they choose) it's more, when you read and hear so many stories in the opposite direction, IMO, it takes away potency.

Hercules Rockefeller said:

Yes. I have read about it. I do not for a moment believe Zoe Quinn or any hashtags online to be responsible for that man killing himself.

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One must admit, the timing is awfully suspicious. That's the difficulty with these things.

This thread is getting juicy so if I may

@robertweathers bet you 50 dollars Chiefs Planet will all call AB a rapist despite saying Tyreek Hill is innocent til proven guilty.

Th3Birdman said:

First you assumed I was referring to Gamer Gate, so you're lying that you read about it. You probably just looked it up.

And to even suggest that him losing his job wasn't responsible for him subsequently killing himself due to those accusations is laughable at best, and completely insensitive at worst. That man was suffering from depression.

This is why no one should take you seriously at this point. We're done here.

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Grats on 74k subs! My YouTube channel was banned lol

The case was just filed with the court, right after he received $9M guaranteed. Not saying he didn't do it or not. The case will be tied up in the judicial system beyond his present contract. Shouldn't affect his performance this season.

Oh boy. I'm about to break you down to atoms.

Hercules Rockefeller said:

You talked about how she "caused the biggest scandal in gaming", which was GamerGate, so I responded to that.

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No-- you quoted and responded to my message that simply stated "Zoe Quinn. You lose"
You absolutely assumed I was making a reference to Gamer Gate. My subsequent message that mentioned Gamer Gate was posted at almost the same exact time as your post quoting my original reply to you, meaning that we were writing our responses at the same time. You in no way were replying to my second comment that was literally posted right before yours. Stop it.

Hercules Rockefeller said:

We are going to have to agree to disagree on who is to blame for a guy killing himself after being accused by multiple women of sexual misconduct

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None of those women provided credible evidence in that case as far as I am aware, and I follow this story intently, as someone lost their life. Face facts, if you are accused of rape in this day and age, your life is effectively over, whether you are innocent or not. I can provide MULTIPLE examples of this being the case, and this is precisely why these women go to Twitter instead of the police, because they know ruin is what they're after, not justice. And just like a rat in a maze, you are drawn to the cheese, as you yourself have drunken the kool-aid in this case against Brown without ANY evidence. All you people need is an accusation, and you're good with that. Meanwhile, things like Emmett Till happen, and you people ignore the damage this kind of thing can cause, all for internet brownie points.

Hercules Rockefeller said:

then being fired by his company after they find the accusations to have been credible and corroborated

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This literally never happened. He was fired the next day, that is nowhere near enough time to find any kind of accusation credible, let alone one of rape. I mean, the police take longer than that for christ's sake. The company was trying to cover their ass, which is what I fully expect the Patriots to do in this case.

Jesus, you're so drunk off the kool-aid, you might as well say "Oh Yeah" over and over. FFS

Th3Birdman said:

First you assumed I was referring to Gamer Gate, so you're lying that you read about it. You probably just looked it up.

And to even suggest that him losing his job wasn't responsible for him subsequently killing himself due to those accusations is laughable at best, and completely insensitive at worst. That man was suffering from depression.

This is why no one should take you seriously at this point. We're done here.

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I did assume that you were talking about GamerGate, as you said the biggest scandal in gaming. I had heard about this gent's unfortunate death but I had it in my head that it was the same guy who was sad about her breaking up with him during the lead up to the stupidity of GamerGate. If for that, nobody should take me seriously --- me not being up on the latest in the world of videogaming --- then that is my fate. It was truly an embarrassing and shameful gaffe.

But please, help me connect these dots. A woman accuses a man of sexual misconduct. Multiple others do as well. The company that he works for fires him after finding the accusations to be corroborated and to be credible. The man kills himself in the wake of his firing. How is it the fault of the first accuser that the man is dead?

QuantumMechanic said:

Can’t Roger suspend him with pay while the investigation is ongoing if he wants to?

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Yes. Goodell could put him on the Commissioner Exempt List like he did Kareem Hunt last year over a video of him knocking a woman to the ground.

Other than being paid, it would be just like he was suspended as Brown would be unable to be around the team until removed from the list. If I remember correctly, Hunt was released by the Chiefs but remained on the list so no other team could sign him until Cleveland did last spring.

Personally, this is where I think this thing is heading.

I really wanted to see Brady to AB.

StockingAnarchyNumber12 said:

This thread is getting juicy so if I may

@robertweathers bet you 50 dollars Chiefs Planet will all call AB a rapist despite saying Tyreek Hill is innocent til proven guilty.

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There are 35 pages.

Seems to be a few level-headed wait n see folks but the rest - as we would expect is hate.

LJRomanoff said:

I think Thomas would have been traded or cut regardless of Brown.

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What would make you think that? They just resigned him last week with a $300,000 raise.