Antonio Brown

raduray said:

Women should certainly report assault. Our system has not been very good about dealing with rape. Witness all the untested rape kits. And there's still stigma associated with coming out. But the MeToo movement has been helpful in raising awareness and removing some of that stigma. Still, each case stands on its own. Accusation does not automatically equate guilt. Let's see this play out.

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I disagree, the MeToo movement has become a joke and as its come to pass, was never about empowering women to make a stand but for a few to make a profit and return to momentary relevance. Frankly, it disgusts me because it had the potential to be a powerful force for good.

slow down guys...this is just belichick finding a way to void guarantees as well as make sure Brown can't go anywhere else.

one step ahead...

(all jokes aside..rape isnt good)

I think Brown gets cut tomorrow. Belichik & Kraft won’t want to deal with this, and Brown will never play another game in the NFL. If I’m wrong, and the Pats keep him, Goodell will suspend him at least 6 games.

Look at what happened with Ezekiel Elliot, even though the police didn’t indict him, due to lack of evidence, Goodell still went after him. This lawsuit gives Goodell ammunition. And all the conspiracy theorists who’ve been complaining that Brown to the Patriots was the plan all along, 2 can play at that game, and I can say Goodell will use this as ammunition to suspend Brown.

Bottom line, even if innocent, it will still effect Brown in a negative way. Either cut by the Pats (most likely), or suspended by that piece of **** Goodell. I have no doubt in my mind. Brown may never even step foot on Gillette stadium practice field or the game field.

Deus Irae said:

I'm reading this thread quickly, but it does take time. So, let me say this, while I'm at about the halfway mark. And, please note that I say this without malice or arrogance, but only from having experience in the field of law, and having researched certain specific aspects of these sorts of cases:


Most of you have no idea what the hell you're talking about on this subject, particularly with regards to legalities, but also with regards to what you "know" to be true.

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So glad you could once again weigh in letting everyone know how much smarter you are than them.

Deus Irae said:

You should never post on this subject again.

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Instead of multi-quoting everyone who quoted me. I'll clarify here:

I was not speaking in the LEGAL sense, but the moral sense. I absolutely agree with our fundamental laws of due process. I was just saying that it is best to err on the side of the victim in order to protect victims and make actual victims more willing to come out. Same deal with victims of domestic violence.

I’m sure it’s bad form here to approvingly post something from a Jets’ board, but not only is this funny, I think it’s actually an accurate translation of the email...

“He raped me, but a year later he said I'm sorry so I trained him again and then he raped me again.”

Sorry, that is not believable.

scott99 said:

I think Brown gets cut tomorrow. Belichik & Kraft won’t want to deal with this, and Brown will never play another game in the NFL. If I’m wrong, and the Pats keep him, Goodell will suspend him at least 6 games.

Look at what happened with Ezekiel Elliot, even though the police didn’t indict him, due to lack of evidence, Goodell still went after him. This lawsuit gives Goodell ammunition. And all the conspiracy theorists who’ve been complaining that Brown to the Patriots was the plan all along, 2 can play at that game, and I can say Goodell will use this as ammunition to suspend Brown.

Bottom line, even if innocent, it will still effect Brown in a negative way. Either cut by the Pats (most likely), or suspended by that piece of **** Goodell. I have no doubt in my mind. Brown may never even step foot on Gillette stadium practice field or the game field.

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Right because kraft would definitely not support anyone accused of a crime of a sexual nature that they say they didn’t commit.

QuantumMechanic said:

I find it interesting that the threatened countersuit from Brown is for extortion and not for defamation.

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Hmm is there a certain legal bar he’d have to meet for one versus the other?

AndyJohnson said:

So obi is going to sue the patriots? What about the other 36 players we cut? Can Demaryius sue then die trading him?

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If the Patriots cut the best wide receiver in football because someone was suing him in civil court they would be in a fight with the nflpa. They would lose, so technically they can cut anyone, but they still have to pay them.

Todd Bradley said:

“He raped me, but a year later he said I'm sorry so I trained him again and then he raped me again.”

Sorry, that is not believable.

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Is that what she said?

Hyped said:

Instead of multi-quoting everyone who quoted me. I'll clarify here:

I was not speaking in the LEGAL sense, but the moral sense. I absolutely agree with our fundamental laws of due process. I was just saying that it is best to err on the side of the victim in order to protect victims and make actual victims more willing to come out. Same deal with victims of domestic violence.

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Society approaches sexual assault cases as guilty until proven innocent? Sure maybe SJWs might. But rational thinking humans who care about evidence and history know better

scott99 said:

I think Brown gets cut tomorrow. Belichik & Kraft won’t want to deal with this, and Brown will never play another game in the NFL. If I’m wrong, and the Pats keep him, Goodell will suspend him at least 6 games.

Look at what happened with Ezekiel Elliot, even though the police didn’t indict him, due to lack of evidence, Goodell still went after him. This lawsuit gives Goodell ammunition. And all the conspiracy theorists who’ve been complaining that Brown to the Patriots was the plan all along, 2 can play at that game, and I can say Goodell will use this as ammunition to suspend Brown.

Bottom line, even if innocent, it will still effect Brown in a negative way. Either cut by the Pats (most likely), or suspended by that piece of **** Goodell. I have no doubt in my mind. Brown may never even step foot on Gillette stadium practice field or the game field.

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Everything in this post is wrong.

festy1986 said:

Is that what she said?

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That's not what she said but it is what she did.

Hyped said:

Instead of multi-quoting everyone who quoted me. I'll clarify here:

I was not speaking in the LEGAL sense, but the moral sense. I absolutely agree with our fundamental laws of due process. I was just saying that it is best to err on the side of the victim in order to protect victims and make actual victims more willing to come out. Same deal with victims of domestic violence.

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There's nothing moral about someone (before an outcome is known) having their name bandied in the media and reputation sullied because of an accusation. People have to live with the consequences of public embarrassment.

festy1986 said:

Is that what she said?

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That’s pretty much the story going forward.

Sick part is, this women is using “the bravery” of the past women who stepped forward as her defense as to why this is just now coming out.

Give me a break.

lancerman said:

Point over your head. The reality is, regardless of whether it's true or not, the Patriots right now have a person on their team being accused and has charges of rape against them. Unless a massive breakthrough comes out in the next day or so, every single week the team will be answering questions about AB. Every single game they will be talking about the accused rapist on our team. It is not something they can get out from under. It really isn't.

As of now, he hasn't played a snap for us. We can cut bait. Nobody will touch him until this is definitively done

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Are you a Chiefs fan? Because your take on this is really pretty mindless, not to mention repulsive.

If he's found guilty, of course he should go. Even if the evidence, what we have as of the moment through the media, were remotely compelling - surely you realize that once or twice in the history of rape accusations, as in 99% of them, there has been more damning evidence than this case, which so far seems to have nothing other than evidence damning the accuser - it would still be incumbent upon you, if you consider yourself a human being who prefers to be given any benefit of the doubt by any other human being should you ever stumble, or appear to have possibly stumbled, yourself; if you consider yourself someone who prefers to be treated by others like they would want you to treat them; if you consider yourself to be a willing participant and adherent to the justice system and structure of laws that we have here in this country, as opposed to what they have in, for example, China, or Somolia; if any of this applies to you at all, it is incumbent upon you to not judge this man in a way I have no doubt whatsoever you would not want to be judged yourself, i.e. completely independent of what the truth actually is, and before said truth has been revealed.

The Reader's Digest abridged version would simply be, GTFO with your "cut him before anything is proven" crap. Take it to ChiefsPlanet - I'm sure you'd be lauded there for your great wisdom.

moosekill said:

Yes, you once again realize that what you have posted does not back up what you are saying. Being accused of something does not mean you engaged in anything. Perhaps a lesson in reading comprehension would help you out.

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I've never once seen a wrongful termination lawsuit brought against an NFL team. For one, based on the contract language, performance can always be cited as unsatisfactory because the union has agreed that judgment of satisfactory performance is based on the "club's sole judgment." The conduct clause is nearly as broad. Brown himself admitted to going to Vegas, sleeping with this woman multiple times, etc. All that's enough that the club could say "conduct detrimental to the team."

I run a union and I've got an extremely good grasp on labor law. I'm not speaking from nothing. I can't really envision any situation in which I could beat management based on those terms. Other than a handful of instances where injured players were wrongfully released (which is covered under a separate article of the NFL CBA), I can't recall a single instance where a player brought a wrongful termination grievance or suit and won.

Deus Irae said:

You should never post on this subject again.

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That was one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on this forum and that is saying something.

While possible, the timing of this is unbelievably suspicious.