How does the 2019 team NOW compare to the 2007 team?

TommyBrady12 said:

OL - 2019 (I think the OL is younger than the 2007 OL so I'd give them the edge)

WR - 2019 (2019, not even close)

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Woah.

The 2007 OL is one of the best all around units of the free agency era. This is some serious disrespecting of that unit. The 2007 unit would win at LT LG and C by a lot. RT would be a push, and while RG would go to 2019, Stephen Neal was a great player in his own right.

As far as WR -- none of these guys are as good as 2007 Moss or Welker. Whether or not the offense matches up as a whole is another issue. The one edge I would give to 2019 here is that they don't need to be as one dimensional as the 2007 team -- Gordon and Brown both have way bigger route trees than Welker or Moss, but they're also just worse.

I think time has made us underrate that 2007 team. They were one more play from being considered probably the 2nd greatest team in sports history after the 92 Dream Team. 2019 might be amazing, but c'mon.

The RB is way way way better in 2019 though. Sammy Morris and Laurence Maroney wouldn't even make this roster.

This offense won't be as explosive as 2007. It can't be. But it might be more versatile/consistent.

Punter 2019 >>>>>>>> 2007. But if this O is legit, then over/under no. Of punts for the season. 50?

Bleedthrough said:

Greatest Offensives All Time Points Per Drive (Standard Deviations from Average)

1. 2007 Patriots - +3.30

2. 1998 Vikings - +2.66

3. 2000 Rams - +2.61

4. 2016 Falcons - +2.58

5. 2018 Chiefs - +2.52


like what the actual ****? thats just crazy difference

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And none of those teams won the SB. Don't care what happens pointwise as long as they hoist Vince 7.0

Regardless of the talent comparison let's be clear. The 2019 team will score LESS for good reason than the 2007 team. A much better running game will eat a lot of clock and also save our 42 year old QB from hits. The 2007 version was one dimensional spread passing, all day every day. This year's version is a lot more balanced to run and also throw to RBs.

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Seels said:

As far as WR -- none of these guys are as good as 2007 Moss or Welker. Whether or not the offense matches up as a whole is another issue. The one edge I would give to 2019 here is that they don't need to be as one dimensional as the 2007 team -- Gordon and Brown both have way bigger route trees than Welker or Moss, but they're also just worse.

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Disagree

I don't think anyone would rate Wes Welker as a better player than Antonio Brown.

Josh Gordon also put up the season with the 2nd most receiving yards/game. For the record Brown has the 5th.

The real issue is that Brown missed the preseason with Brady.

And the mental health of Brown and Gordon is somewhat... questionable.

I think Edelman/Thomas is also a win over Stallworth/Gaffney.

So talent wise I think 2019 wins. In terms of mental stability 2007 has the edge.

Seels said:

Woah.

The 2007 OL is one of the best all around units of the free agency era. This is some serious disrespecting of that unit. The 2007 unit would win at LT LG and C by a lot. RT would be a push, and while RG would go to 2019, Stephen Neal was a great player in his own right.

As far as WR -- none of these guys are as good as 2007 Moss or Welker. Whether or not the offense matches up as a whole is another issue. The one edge I would give to 2019 here is that they don't need to be as one dimensional as the 2007 team -- Gordon and Brown both have way bigger route trees than Welker or Moss, but they're also just worse.

I think time has made us underrate that 2007 team. They were one more play from being considered probably the 2nd greatest team in sports history after the 92 Dream Team. 2019 might be amazing, but c'mon.

The RB is way way way better in 2019 though. Sammy Morris and Laurence Maroney wouldn't even make this roster.

This offense won't be as explosive as 2007. It can't be. But it might be more versatile/consistent.

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Light is one of the more underrated players over the last 20 years but I think Wynn will prove to be a better player both short & def long term.

I was alone last year on the Thuney bandwagon but it seems some still underrate him? Its close bc of all the work Mankins put but another from Thuney like 2018 & hes just as good if noy better.

As for the WR Corp we look a lot deeper. When Edleman seemingly could be your number 3 option you know you're stacked beyond belief. Add in Thomas, Dorsett, Harry, Meyers ... If they keep it together it could be one of the better groups over the last 10 years. Not trying to get caught up but has there been a better trio?

Man, I was - for some reason or another - not that into football in 07, or before. My family, from Peabody / Southshore, have always been diehard Patriots/Sox/Celtics fans. My dad always tells me stories of all the games he went to - that seemingly always have the included detail of very uncomfortable seats.

I grew up in out of atatw, and until about 2010, or me graduating highschool, I did not care about football. Then it started being this bonding time with my dad, and then I realllyyyy started getting into it.

What I'm getting at is, I wish I would've watched that 2007 season as it happened. Seeing stuff like 3.3 pts per drive, their point differential - and knowing what I know now? It absolutely floors me to see such numbers. Teams today, in a game geared far more towards offense, can't come close to that dominance.

I could watch the season now, but I mean. Seeing that production in 2007 would have been just crazy.

Edit - And it's crazy how they were relatively one dimensional. HOW DO YOU KEEP UP DOMINANCE EVEN WHEN YOU'RE ONE DIMENSIONAL?? That's somehow _more_ impressive. Until the SB, I guess.




Wait, what was the question?

TommyBrady12 said:

I meant on paper

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In 2007 that team was something, on paper. In 2019 it's entirely kept as a spreadsheet on computers. There's just no comparison, on paper.
Seriously. 2019 team hasn't played a game. I know 'on paper' is your intention, however, if 'on paper' meant anything then the Patriots probably wouldn't be 6 time super bowl winners. 'On paper' is on par with the Farmers Almanac for weather prediction.

TommyBrady12 said:

I said month or so ago, this team has real potential to be as good as the 2007 team. With Brown signing, I think it could even be better. What do you guys think? I think something really special is brewing in Foxborough this year...

QB - even (Brady is not going throw 50 TDs this year, but I think he's wiser and definitely knows how to take care of his body better)

RB - 2019 (The RB depth is way better. I'll take Michel, White, Burkhead, Harris, Develin, and Bolden over the 2007 version any day)

TE - 2007 (younger Ben Watson is better than the older one)

OL - 2019 (I think the OL is younger than the 2007 OL so I'd give them the edge)

WR - 2019 (2019, not even close)

DL - 2007

LB - 2019

CB - 2019

S - 2007

Coaching - 2019 (only because I think McD is a more seasoned play caller now than he was)

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I went back and rewatched some 2007 games with my 11 year old son who is just starting to truly appreciate football so I wanted him to see greatness. Honestly I had forgot how good that O line was. Brady was taking 5 and 7 foot drops every other play and eating a picnic back there. Literally no one within 5 yards of him 9 out of 10 passes. I will be quite pleased if the 2019 version plays half as well.

TommyBrady12 said:

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RB - 2019 (The RB depth is way better. I'll take Michel, White, Burkhead, Harris, Develin, and Bolden over the 2007 version any day)

TE - 2007 (younger Ben Watson is better than the older one)

OL - 2019 (I think the OL is younger than the 2007 OL so I'd give them the edge). The 2007 line was damn good.

WR - 2019 (2019, not even close). Yes it is close. Moss/Stallworth/Gaffney/Welker

DL - 2007

LB - 2019. Hmmm.. Bruschi, Vrabel, Colvin, AD. Woods, Seau

CB - 2019

S - 2007

Coaching - 2019 (only because I think McD is a more seasoned play caller now than he was)

The 2007 team was a point scoring machine. I don't see this team lighting up the board like they did. The team was one for the ages. I do see the 2019 team winning many games tho and that's really what counts.

With getting so many of these guys in the fold so late, I think there's less chance of this year's team peaking before Halloween.

zoostation said:

RB - 2019 (The RB depth is way better. I'll take Michel, White, Burkhead, Harris, Develin, and Bolden over the 2007 version any day)

TE - 2007 (younger Ben Watson is better than the older one)

OL - 2019 (I think the OL is younger than the 2007 OL so I'd give them the edge). The 2007 line was damn good.

WR - 2019 (2019, not even close). Yes it is close. Moss/Stallworth/Gaffney/Welker

DL - 2007

LB - 2019. Hmmm.. Bruschi, Vrabel, Colvin, AD. Woods, Seau

CB - 2019

S - 2007

Coaching - 2019 (only because I think McD is a more seasoned play caller now than he was)

The 2007 team was a point scoring machine. I don't see this team lighting up the board like they did. The team was one for the ages. I do see the 2019 team winning many games tho and that's really what counts.

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As good as the 2007 WRs were, this years WRs are a lot better. I'm sorry. And the 2007 LBs were old.

Seels said:

Woah.

The 2007 OL is one of the best all around units of the free agency era. This is some serious disrespecting of that unit. The 2007 unit would win at LT LG and C by a lot. RT would be a push, and while RG would go to 2019, Stephen Neal was a great player in his own right.

As far as WR -- none of these guys are as good as 2007 Moss or Welker. Whether or not the offense matches up as a whole is another issue. The one edge I would give to 2019 here is that they don't need to be as one dimensional as the 2007 team -- Gordon and Brown both have way bigger route trees than Welker or Moss, but they're also just worse.

I think time has made us underrate that 2007 team. They were one more play from being considered probably the 2nd greatest team in sports history after the 92 Dream Team. 2019 might be amazing, but c'mon.

The RB is way way way better in 2019 though. Sammy Morris and Laurence Maroney wouldn't even make this roster.

This offense won't be as explosive as 2007. It can't be. But it might be more versatile/consistent.

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Underrated? I absolutely agree that 2007 was one-dimensional, but, if anything, this made them overrated.

Seels said:

Woah.

The 2007 OL is one of the best all around units of the free agency era. This is some serious disrespecting of that unit. The 2007 unit would win at LT LG and C by a lot. RT would be a push, and while RG would go to 2019, Stephen Neal was a great player in his own right.

As far as WR -- none of these guys are as good as 2007 Moss or Welker. Whether or not the offense matches up as a whole is another issue. The one edge I would give to 2019 here is that they don't need to be as one dimensional as the 2007 team -- Gordon and Brown both have way bigger route trees than Welker or Moss, but they're also just worse.

I think time has made us underrate that 2007 team. They were one more play from being considered probably the 2nd greatest team in sports history after the 92 Dream Team. 2019 might be amazing, but c'mon.

The RB is way way way better in 2019 though. Sammy Morris and Laurence Maroney wouldn't even make this roster.

This offense won't be as explosive as 2007. It can't be. But it might be more versatile/consistent.

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Lol at welker being better then Antonio Brown. Delusions

DropKickFlutie said:

Regardless of the talent comparison let's be clear. The 2019 team will score LESS for good reason than the 2007 team. A much better running game will eat a lot of clock and also save our 42 year old QB from hits. The 2007 version was one dimensional spread passing, all day every day. This year's version is a lot more balanced to run and also throw to RBs.

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This is completely false. The 2007 Patriots offensive ate up an obscene amount of clock time per-drive. This was discussed repeatedly back in 2007 & afterwards.

Paper doesn’t even matter anymore because you can get high with a pen w0rd

For WRs I think you have to compare
Moss to Brown
Welker to Edelman
Stallworth to Gordon

I’d give Moss the edge but let’s see how Brown does, could be close to a draw (which is insane considering Moss was the best year for a WR, ever).

Welker vs Edelman probably a toss up but I’ll take Edelman on 3rd and 11 any day.

If Gordon plays up to his potential (let’s say 80% of his 2013 peak, or decisively better the last year) then he destroys Stallworth. No contest.

So on paper, Id give it to 2019 (slightly) but let’s have this debate in six weeks because until then it’s all hypothetical.

Right now, it looks unquestionably better, as we are still in contention for the Super Bowl.

That is what matters guys. You play to win the game, and you play to win enough games to win three straight in the end. You don't need 19.

Not favorable simply because 2019 Brady won't come close to 2007 Brady. We won't come close to averaging 37 points per game. That being said 30 points per game and a very good defense will get it done, too. Just not at 16-0.

This might be the deadliest play-action team in history.

Regards,
Chris