All-time Patriots team, Patsfan geezer thread: how many NON-BB/TB12-era players make the team?

Joker said:

Bill Lenakaitis..quit the NFL and tortured everybody as a dentist

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If I remember correctly, Lenkaitis served as team dentist both during his playing days and after he retired. I could see Belichick using Lenkaitis's talents and "recommending" a dental examination for some players after a particularly bad performance.

Deion Branch
Stanley Morgan
Troy Brown
Gronk
Coates
Armstrong
Hannah
Dr. Bill
Mankins
Gray
Sam Bam Cunningham
Clock killin Corey Dillon
Brady

Seymour
Sam Adams
Andre Tippett
Vince
Bruschi
Hightower
Nelson
Law
Haynes
Harrison
Milloy

40yrpatsfan said:

Say on offense we vote 2 TE's, 3 WR's, 2 RB's, and 1 FB (14 total), on D we have 2 DE's, 2 DT's, 2 OLB's, 2 ILB's, 4 DB's (12 total), and 8 ST/all-arounds. That's 34 players total, and I have it 17 to 17 pre vs post 2001. I'm basing this on say 4 years of peak performance, not longevity.

TE: Gronk, Coates

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Honorable mentions to Francis and Cooke.

T: Leon Gray, Cannon

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I gotta go with Armstrong over Cannon.

WR: Moss, Morgan, Edelman

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Troy Brown over Edelman. Fight me.

RB: Jim Nance, Dillon

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Martin and Faulk. People sure do like forgetting about Martin... I love what Dillon gave us but Martin was amazing.

DE: Seymour, Julius Adams

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McGinest over Seymour.

ILB: Nick Buoniconti, Vincent Brown
OLB: Tippett, Hightower

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Love the Undertaker, has been criminally forgotten as far as great Pats go. But how is Bruschi not in this list?

CB: Haynes, Law

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I'm gonna commit heresy here and say Revis was better than Law. Revis is on my short list of all time great corners.

S: McCourty, Milloy

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Rodney over Milloy.

mcmurtry86 said:

Terry Glenn over Edelman or Welker? Maybe based on pure athletic talent but certainly not as a player

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Yeah, my 2nd favorite rec after Morgan. The route running and body control was fantastic. And yeah just talking talent.

Why Morgan doesn't get more mention for the HOF. How many guys AVERAGE 20ypc in a season let alone a FOURTEEN year career. That's 557 catches at TWENTY! yards per catch. (actually its 19.4/ypc but it doesn't have the same ring to it)

40yrpatsfan said:

Candidates:
TE: Coates, Francis
T: Gray, Armstrong
G: Hannah
C: Brock, Morris
WR: Morgan, Glenn
RB: Martin, Nance, Cunningham, Collins, Calhoun, James
FB: Gash
QB (backup): Drew, Grogan, Parilli
DT: Anthoine, Hunt
DE: Adams
LB: Tippett, Buoniconti, Brown
CB: Haynes, Clayborne, Lippett
S: McCray, Marion, Fox
K: Cappelletti
P: Camarillo
ST: Tatupu

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Good list. I'd add Steve Nelson to the LB's and Mack Herron as KR. Maybe also Chris Slade as an LB.

jimnance said:

If you're talking "fun to watch", mini- Mack might be #1 all-time Patriot.

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It would have been nice if Mack could have thrown a block. That’s ultimately why the Patriots cut him; he made the offense too 1-dimensional.

fnordcircle said:

Honorable mentions to Francis and Cooke.

I gotta go with Armstrong over Cannon.

Troy Brown over Edelman. Fight me.

Martin and Faulk. People sure do like forgetting about Martin... I love what Dillon gave us but Martin was amazing.

McGinest over Seymour.

Love the Undertaker, has been criminally forgotten as far as great Pats go. But how is Bruschi not in this list?

I'm gonna commit heresy here and say Revis was better than Law. Revis is on my short list of all time great corners.

Rodney over Milloy.

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Can't argue with your guys either. I totally blanked on Rodney, he was better than Lawyer. Armstrong probably should be ahead of Cannon, but I've come to see Marcus as great not just good. Tough to say Willie over Seymour, but Willie v Julius Adams is a close call.

Curtis Martin was on my mind for sure, totally belongs. What you felt about him, I felt about Jim Nance. Revis obviously great but too short a stay here and was starting to head down.

fnordcircle said:

McGinest over Seymour.

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Kind of apples and oranges, 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE vs 3-4 DE/4-3 DT.

That said Seymour was widely recognized as better at the time though. 3x 1st Team All-Pro, 1st Team All-Decade.

aluminum seats said:

Mosi Tatupu. Just for the name.

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NormZauchin said:

If I remember correctly, Lenkaitis served as team dentist both during his playing days and after he retired. I could see Belichick using Lenkaitis's talents and "recommending" a dental examination for some players after a particularly bad performance.

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Here he is at work...

QuantumMechanic said:

Bill Lenkaitis
Ray Clayborn

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I was going to add Dr. Bill,great center, a nice guy and my neighbor, 2 doors down in Canton.......back in the day....
He was the center on that 1978 team with Hannah and Gray that set the rushing yardage for a team in a year... They would often run the same play again and again on a drive begging the opposition to try and stop it..and they couldn't.

Building the team by units - any era allowed:

1978 OL
2007 Receivers
2011 Tight Ends
1978 Running Backs / FB
2007 Quarterbacks

2004 Defensive Line
1985 Linebackers
2004 Secondary

Pre BB/TB era:

1978 OL
1996 Receivers
1980 Tight Ends
1978 Running Backs / FB
1985 Quarterbacks

1985 Defense

Ochmed Jones said:

Best patriots Secondary

Ty law
Fred Marion
Lawyer Malloy
Mike Haynes

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I’m putting Revis oppo law. If revis even qualifies for this

Chevy said:

Pre BB/TB era:
1985 Quarterbacks

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If it's 1985 Grogan I can kind of see it, but I'd pick 1979 Grogan instead.

If we're talking 1985 Eason touching the ball... lolnope

sean10mm said:

If it's 1985 Grogan I can kind of see it, but I'd pick 1979 Grogan instead.

If we're talking 1985 Eason touching the ball... lolnope

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The 79 QB unit is a bit better. Swap them in

Kasmir said:

Good list. I'd add Steve Nelson to the LB's and Mack Herron as KR. Maybe also Chris Slade as an LB.

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Chris "Home Game" Slade should be on Nobody's list for all-time Patriots teams, even one that includes pre-Brady teams only...dude was a complete no-show on the road.

fightingirish595 said:

I’m putting Revis oppo law. If revis even qualifies for this

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Mike Haynes >>> both Law & Revis.