Andrew Luck Retires from NFL

AHoodieWorshipperInParis said:

You mean, a large AFC Finalist window ?

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Saying they have a large window was a dumb statement by me because that implies championships I have no idea how brissett will do. A better statement would have been that they have lots of young talent on the team and if brissett or someone else can come in and be productive they’ll be a good team. Seems like they’ve got themselves a coach who knows what he’s doing.

fnordcircle said:

Because it's a job. You sound like the sort of person who confuses the word 'job' with 'reason for living' or 'identity' or 'holy quest that should last your entire life.'

If someone wants to quit a job be it working at McDonalds, or being QB in the NFL or the world's highest paid porn star why wouldn't those of us in the working class support it? Providing, of course, that the person's fallback plan isn't mooching off of social programs when they could work otherwise which clearly isn't the case here...

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I understand your characterization of the type of person you think I am, you are close. I actually enjoying working more than any other activity. Sleeping and relaxing really bores me. My down time is reading, else I am repairing engines, computers, windows you name it.
In saying all of that, I also like to rely on people to some extent and I think Luck quitted on his team, it is ok to phrase it that way, he did a good thing for himself, but there are two sides to this and I look at both. I have just spoken strongly on the team and fans part but I get Luck as well.
I was very annoyed with the timing but posters here have rasied valid consideration that I failed to consider in that Irsay may have known about his desires but kept a charade going until it was leaked.
People can quit anything they want, I don't have an issue, I have an issue when they are being praised and called courageous for doing that. As you said, it is a job, so if you quit/retire, it should be called that and nothing else. I know I used the word support, I was addressing the accolades actually and in hindsight, support was a poor choice of word.
NFL is a cruel business, they use you and then forget about you, so if you get enough to survive, get out while you can, but there is a right time for everything, Luck or the Colts mightly mismanaged this.

As someone who is on the players side when it comes to labor negotiations, I am hoping that more top players on their teams start walking away early.......fans have the right to stop showing up if they don't like the product, so maybe it's exactly the thing players need for the ownership to start giving the appropriate consideration to the abuse that the players go through.......yes, nobody is forcing the players to play just like nobody is forcing them to walk away

and I think the timing is most effective in getting people to pay attention.........brady doesn't have a contract after this year.....maybe he likes it that way

PittPatriot said:

I was confused by Gronk’s words today.
He mentioned how he did not have “fun” and felt “sad” after the Super Bowl because of the pain be suffered after the deep thigh bruise.
Was he not having fun through the season and playoffs until that point? Or was the pain so bad and long lasting that it took all the fun out of playing away? Did the “joy of life” come back after he healed?
It was definitely emotional watching him breakdown.
Not sure what the product he is selling is all about.

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He actually said a lot to me and it was all about mental health. Gronk is not someone who will eloquently present how he felt, but behind that frivolity which like many I associate with Gronk, there could have been something lurking there that I missed. Dude played too hard and I remember questioning his sustainability around 2014 after this catch at the Bills where he literally landed on his head. I love Gronk but don't want to see him play football again.

IllegalContact said:

As someone who is on the players side when it comes to labor negotiations, I am hoping that more top players on their teams start walking away early.......fans have the right to stop showing up if they don't like the product, so maybe it's exactly the thing players need for the ownership to start giving the appropriate consideration to the abuse that the players go through....y

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I will not be surprised to see 30 for 30 in the not too distant future starting with the following line: "What if I told you that a sports, too big to fail, started to crumble when a star QB decided to call it a career during preseason football game...."

vuudu said:

I will not be surprised to see 30 for 30 in the not too distant future starting with the following line: "What if I told you that a sports, too big to fail, started to crumble when a star QB decided to call it a career during preseason football game...."

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It's not any different from what Jim Brown did honestly.

IllegalContact said:

As someone who is on the players side when it comes to labor negotiations, I am hoping that more top players on their teams start walking away early.......fans have the right to stop showing up if they don't like the product, so maybe it's exactly the thing players need for the ownership to start giving the appropriate consideration to the abuse that the players go through.......yes, nobody is forcing the players to play just like nobody is forcing them to walk away

and I think the timing is most effective in getting people to pay attention.........brady doesn't have a contract after this year.....maybe he likes it that way

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Or maybe Brady wanted a multi year deal and Pats are playing with fire by letting him hit FA

PittPatriot said:

I was confused by Gronk’s words today.
He mentioned how he did not have “fun” and felt “sad” after the Super Bowl because of the pain be suffered after the deep thigh bruise.
Was he not having fun through the season and playoffs until that point? Or was the pain so bad and long lasting that it took all the fun out of playing away? Did the “joy of life” come back after he healed?
It was definitely emotional watching him breakdown.
Not sure what the product he is selling is all about.

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Maybe Gronkowski is beginning to feel guilty about the timing of his own "retirement" after all of the better free-agent TEs were already signed.

captain stone said:

Maybe Gronkowski is beginning to feel guilty about the timing of his own "retirement" after all of the better free-agent TEs were already signed.

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I doubt it

There seems to be an unstated thought that Luck was going to be on the field quarterbacking his team if he didn't retire. This is about someone who spent 4+ months recovering from a minor injury that still hasn't been properly diagnosed (as far as I can tell).

Personally, I think it's more likely that he'd have been gone for the entire 2019 season than he would have been to see the playing field in September.

If that's true, the timing of the retirement really isn't much of an issue. In fact, it's a positive thing to know what you're dealing with rather than live in a fantasy world (like they did in 2017) hoping and believing that he'll be back but not being able to count on it.

captain stone said:

Maybe Gronkowski is beginning to feel guilty about the timing of his own "retirement" after all of the better free-agent TEs were already signed.

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All? You mean both? The only above average free agent TEs were James and Cook and it appeared that the Patriots were at least in on Cook for a while.

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Biffins said:

Or maybe Brady wanted a multi year deal and Pats are playing with fire by letting him hit FA

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I'm not entirely sure how hot that 'fire' is.

If Brady hits free agency, he might be very surprised as to what an NFL team is prepared to commit to a 43-year-old player.

Brady is in completely uncharted territory for an NFL QB. Favre used to be the benchmark for QB longevity, and he was good at 40 and legally dead at 41. Meanwhile at 41 Brady won a Super Bowl and still has his job on lockdown at 42 with no plausible successor even in the building.

In theory I can see a desperate team paying for 1 year of old man Brady at some huge number... but there also isn't much evidence that Brady is chasing the biggest paychecks anymore anyway so even that seems like a big "so what?"

Luck's retirement will never quit being funny to me.

Or will it never retire from being funny to me?

sean10mm said:

Brady is in completely uncharted territory for an NFL QB. Favre used to be the benchmark for QB longevity, and he was good at 40 and legally dead at 41. Meanwhile at 41 Brady won a Super Bowl and still has his job on lockdown at 42 with no plausible successor even in the building.

In theory I can see a desperate team paying for 1 year of old man Brady at some huge number... but there also isn't much evidence that Brady is chasing the biggest paychecks anymore anyway so even that seems like a big "so what?"

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I'm not sure Stidham will ultimately end up being Brady's successor but he certainly qualifies as a "plausible successor in the building".

fnordcircle said:

Luck's retirement will never quit being funny to me.

Or will it never retire from being funny to me?

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I totally agree. I have no idea why people are “sad” or feel bad for this guy, like he’s some sob story. We have so many actual stories worthy of pity every day. A stubborn QB who seemed to enjoy contact has more money than most of us will ever see.

The Colts tanked a season. Their fans commend that strategy to land “the generational prospect” while their organization has created fake scandals, cheated, and reveled in denigrating the Patriots. The organization has done nothing except get rewarded for pathetic failed seasons with Manning and Luck (and Elway). They LOST and LOST bad with Luck. It’s embarrassing. I love this. It’s absolutely hilarious. This should be the end of the line for a loathsome owner and franchise that never even earned anything but have been relevant due to purposefully losing games. Ha ha ha!!!

Looking forward to seeing Irsay completely meltdown as he fades into obscurity.

Doctor DDS said:

2007 - Brady sacked 21 times
2008 - Cassell sacked 47 times
2009 - Brady sacked 18 times
2016 - Brady sacked 15 times in 12 games
2016 - Brissett/JG sacked 9 times in 4 games (with fewer passes per game)

Have the Pats really had a great OL or is Brady a magician? How many games have the Pats faced an imposing defense yet Brady goes virtually untouched? (Chiefs/Ram as most recent examples) His ability to limit negative plays is one of his most underrated skills. Am not saying that the OL has not done well and they were particularly effective in the playoffs last year but switch out Brady for virtually anyone else and the picture is much different.

Players like Luck and Eli get to use the poor OL excuse when a good portion of it is their own style of play or inability to more quickly read the defense and get the ball out.

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IMO, yes he is a bit of a magician: with his feet and his pocket presence. TB has the awareness to FEELthe rush and make small steps/movements that take away the rusher's angle and help his blockers take on the rush. He also often steps up in the pocket (watch the Edelman SB catch in ??'s sig) to get out of the rush lanes. Guys like Luck stand fast or retreat further, then get crushed and hurt. He is better at this than anyone since Marino, and probably (imo anyway) better than Marino too.

Capt. Andrew Luck Account Takes Shot At Josh McDaniels In Goodbye Letter To Unit

So deliciously ironic (and Colt-like) to throw McDaniels under the bus while simultaneously validating and justifying McDaniels decision by retiring. Andrew Luck: a true Indianapolis Colt. 0-5 with five blowout losses....lol.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

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That is absurd