Patriots QB Conundrum - How Many, And Who?

I think you could put either qb out there for 4 weeks and the pats would probably be favored for at least 2 of the games and probably at least go 500. The difference is do they go 2-4 or 3-4. Look Hoyer is pretty good, Stidham is almost as good, either keeping both or just Stidham wouldn't shock me. However your hyperbole is just over the top.

moosekill said:

You are right, if Stidham sucks BB probably won't do it. However, I don't think he has sucked so far. You seem to be arguing that he has sucked and there is no way he could lead the Pats to a win.

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I have not said he has sucked. If you look through all my comments on Stidham you will see the opposite. I have said he is exceeding expectations and will most likely take over the backup spot next year but he is not there yet in terms of processing speed and ball security. He has not played much under center at Auburn and it shows.

If you want to take off play-action and dropbacks from the gameplan be my guest but good luck winning any games limiting yourself that severely.

moosekill said:

From what I have seen he hasn't sucked and really has looked better than JG did in his preseason games.

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It doesn't matter if he looked better or worse than JG. This is totally irrelevant. The question is how small the gap to the other QB is. There was essentially no gap between Mallett and JG. Hoyer clearly is more comfortable and understands the entire offense right now. And this is totally normal and ok. It is what you'd expect comparing a 10 year veteran and a rookie. That doesn't mean Stidham "sucks".

You either keep misunderstanding my entire point or misrepresenting it with this "Stidham sucks" angle. None of this has to do with Stidham but is all about Hoyer vs. Player #53.

This is my belief and hopefully it hits a middle ground here with those that have strong disagreements: by the end of the 2019 season ...Stidham is worthy of QB2. However I think that only happens if Hoyer is out of the picture as a player on the team. I think we all see the value he brings with knowledge of the playbook, scouting and breaking down opponent defense...but him and Tom are tight...they are the cool kids with Stidham on the outside looking in. If Stidham is going to reach QB2 and not given that mantle by just removing Hoyer...he will need to earn it and learn more quickly by working closer with Tom and the weekly gameplan. Otherwise he is not going to grow as quickly as we may need him to for when Tom retires.

It is extremely difficult to tell from pre -season games how well someone will do once the bullets start flying in the regular season. We're all hopeful that Stidham could be serviceable if called upon but it is a big unknown. Does he turn into a rookie Dak or does he perform like an overmatched rookie Goff? Looking at the box scores this pre-season there are a lot of crappy QB's putting up good numbers so who knows. I am about 75% sure that Hoyer would be more successful in a 2 or 3 game stint if called upon. Do not think that is enough to lose the roster spot but am fine if they do decide to keep him.

stcjones said:

Brady and Stidham....they honestly don’t need Hoyer and it’s waste of a roster spot they could use at another position of need!

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Hoyer's value is his ability to mimic just about any QB, a valuable tool for preparation. Convince him to retire, and bring him in as a coaching assistant.

Is there an opportunity to trade Hoyer to the Colts now that Luck's packed it in?

raduray said:

Is there an opportunity to trade Hoyer to the Colts now that Luck's packed it in?

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maybe but I don't think you get more than a 7th rounder

A lot of blah, blah, blah about this topic. Hoyer wears #2 for a reason. Hoyer remains QB#2. Jarrett can sit and learn, there's plenty of time to do this right.

long distance said:

Id be surprised to see Hoyer on initial 53 roster:

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luuked said:

For me moving Hoyer and trusting Stidham to be the backup would be one of the most shocking BB moves ever in terms of risk/reward.

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Speedy recovery, my man @luuked!

As said previously in our discussion, wouldn't be surprised if this is just the initial 53 move and they bring him back - in one capacity or another. But moving on from Hoyer was on the table the moment they drafted Stidham. Teams are starting rookies all over the league so having a rookie QB shouldn't be too dramatic..


EDIT: The way Tommy is going Patriots can soon again have “the best QB situation in the league“ bc they will not stop drafting them..

long distance said:

Speedy recovery, my man @luuked!

As said previously in our discussion, wouldn't be surprised if this is just the initial 53 move and they bring him back - in one capacity or another. But moving on from Hoyer was on the table the moment they drafted Stidham this off/pre-season. Teams are starting rookies all over the league so having a rookie QB shouldn't be too dramatic..

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My condolences to half the board that tried soooo hard being smart.

LOL lots of hurt feelings & fingers hitting those dislikes.

sad truth for so many experienced players that still have something to offer..

BaconGrundleCandy said:

My condolences to half the board that tried soooo hard being smart.

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stop being such a smarmy little know-it-all jerk...you need constant adulation 24/7 and put anyone who disagrees with your so called professorial posts down. Fans have opinions. THIS BOARD is an outlet for those opinions, not an arena for who is the greatest knower-of-things.

long distance said:

sad truth for so many experienced players that still have something to offer..

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Maybe Lombardis best Tweet

You're taking this too seriously. LOL disliking that post.

Joker said:

stop being such a smarmy little know-it-all jerk...you need constant adulation 24/7 and put anyone who disagrees with your so called professorial posts down. Fans have opinions. THIS BOARD is an outlet for those opinions, not an arena for who is the greatest knower-of-things.

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Joker let's be honest here. I rub you the wrong way & you'll never pass up an opportunity to yell at anything.

I've graded draft picks every year for almost a decade. Im literally wrong every year on a lot of picks & make my stuff public (before the draft) to be as honest as possible. I'm spectacularly wrong at times.

In this case, between Hoyer/Stidham, I always believed Hoyer had a legit shot at the 53. Id bet in half post I made that clear. Whether I was the first or not all I really suggested was Stidham had a real shot at QB2.

It was the other side saying we dont know how to evaluate the QB position & other nonsense which looks even worse now.

Its sports Joker, not that serious. Have a great day.

Excited for the future (the undeniable potential of Stidham) and the present (the extra space being opened on the 53 by carrying only 2 QBs).

At this stage, I think coaches are looking for things they can work with - of which Stidham has plenty:

Decently quick release
Excellent ball location
Solid throwing motion
Agile enough to move the pocket or scramble when needed.
Decent recognition of (basic) coverages at the NFL level - will need to improve his work diagnosing the rush and assigning protection.

I think Hoyer will find N0.2 work elsewhere should he want it.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

You're taking this too seriously. LOL disliking that post.

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A cursory glance at my history will confirm that I rarely hand out a dislike...to anyone for any reason.Pretty ironic that you accuse me of taking the board too seriously when you go off in multiple threads pounding your chest about a certain roster cut that others didn't see coming.YOU are the one taking things too seriously, Francis.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Joker let's be honest here. I rub you the wrong way & you'll never pass up an opportunity to yell at anything.

I've graded draft picks every year for almost a decade. Im literally wrong every year on a lot of picks & make my stuff public (before the draft) to be as honest as possible. I'm spectacularly wrong at times.

In this case, between Hoyer/Stidham, I always believed Hoyer had a legit shot at the 53. Id bet in half post I made that clear. Whether I was the first or not all I really suggested was Stidham had a real shot at QB2.

It was the other side saying we dont know how to evaluate the QB position & other nonsense which looks even worse now.

Its sports Joker, not that serious. Have a great day.

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There is no "other side". There are PATRIOTS FANS who took a position contrary to yours and others. I read your posts leading up to the cuts and I have no argument with your analysis. I have a big problem with the way you mock other members who disagree with your analyses. Newsflash, Kiper Jr...there's ALWAYS going to be fans who argue pro and con on a sports messageboard.

long distance said:

Speedy recovery, my man @luuked!

As said previously in our discussion, wouldn't be surprised if this is just the initial 53 move and they bring him back - in one capacity or another. But moving on from Hoyer was on the table the moment they drafted Stidham. Teams are starting rookies all over the league so having a rookie QB shouldn't be too dramatic..


EDIT: The way Tommy is going Patriots can soon again have “the best QB situation in the league“ bc they will not stop drafting them..

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I was essentially off the grid since last Thursday afternoon and just got back a few hours ago. Watched a recording of the final preseason game on my phone while flying back and then started to catch up on Pats news. Obviously I was pretty surprised to see Hoyer released especially after Stidham's game against the Giants.

But in the end it is all about what the coaches project his learning curve will be like and the risk they are willing to take with Brady staying healthy.

I think we all agreed that Stidham would be the second best QB at the latest by next offseason, most probably earlier. That was never a question as I have said it repeatedly in the past when talking about my rationale of going with 3 QBs.

Now while I am taking that big L on my speculation lets just keep the fingers crossed that we don't need to see him on the field for the wrong reasons until then.

luuked said:

But in the end it is all about what the coaches project his learning curve will be like and the risk they are willing to take with Brady staying healthy.

I think we all agreed that Stidham would be the second best QB at the latest by next offseason, most probably earlier. That was never a question as I have said it repeatedly in the past when talking about my rationale of going with 3 QBs.

Now while I am taking that big L on my speculation lets just keep the fingers crossed that we don't need to see him on the field for the wrong reasons until then.

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If Brady goes down, Stidham is much less experienced but he’s a better player than Hoyer even right now. And he will progress quickly. He was already pushing the envelope in the Giants game. I was surprised he wasn’t being babied like the Giants babied Jones was in the preseason.

Big L? Who cares? Even the Creator/God/Universe loses once in a while; that’s how the Jets were created.