Patriots QB Conundrum - How Many, And Who?

There's another thing to consider here. IF the Pats were to cut Hoyer, what exactly be his market? I'm not sure people would be rushing out to grab him. So how about this scenario. Hoyer gets cut and clears waivers. He is already getting paid $1.5MM guaranteed, so the Pats tell him to stay in the area and keep in shape, and if anything does happen to Brady, they'll be on the phone. OR perhaps cut him and keep him on staff as the assistant QB coach. Something like that.

patfanken said:

There's another thing to consider here. IF the Pats were to cut Hoyer, what exactly be his market? I'm not sure people would be rushing out to grab him. So how about this scenario. Hoyer gets cut and clears waivers. He is already getting paid $1.5MM guaranteed, so the Pats tell him to stay in the area and keep in shape, and if anything does happen to Brady, they'll be on the phone. OR perhaps cut him and keep him on staff as the assistant QB coach. Something like that.

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It's been brought up as one of options w Hoyer. Makes sense considering his value off the field (practice, film study, smart guy to talk shop w etc)

It makes sense

Fwiw I dont believe Hoyer has ever QB'd a team to more than 3 wins in a row.

59.3 cmp%

5.99% ANY/A

We would need a historic season from the defense. Not just 2019 great but all time great. Almost no injuries, certainly none that put him in position to win w his arm.

Neither are winning you a SB but one is cheaper (2019 4th Rd pick) & has a lot more potential.

I was a big Stidham critic this past year in college but its foolish to ignore the progress hes made in this short time w us.

Id be surprised to see Hoyer on initial 53 roster:
1. end result in a potential Brady-less season would not be significantly different (and i don't mean white flag in either case) & with Stidham they'd be giving their possible QB future a serious look and experience
2. While inexperienced and inconsistent - at least Stidham is not afraid to win so in the playoffs id take him over Hoyer any time.
3. Plenty of talent from two big rookie classes they might not want to gamble with.
4. They can always bring Hoyer back if needed for affordable price

Tom and Josh might wanna push for Hoyer's presence but BB will make his call regardless..

Didn't notice earlier...the hair deed has been done

Thing about Hoyer not being mentioned is that he has never started a game with the Patriots. Having played with the likes of Cle, Chi, Hou, etc. is not the same as playing with an excellent OL, top notch RB core, great D, excellent coaches, etc. His preseason looks better than Jarrett's.

Also, should it only be TB12 & Jarrett, what's to say if Tommy goes down that Jarrett doesn't also get injured? We saw it with Jimmy and Jacoby while Tom was out. To my untrained eyes Jarrett looks like he could get hurt scrambling around a #1 NFL D. IMO he needs more time to develop before being thrown to the wolves. Keep all 3 for now.

Everyone seems to be making this assessment based on Brady being out for all or most of the season. And while I agree that Hoyer leading the Pats to a Super Bowl win under such circumstances is remote, even with a strong defense and running game, Brady might miss three, four, or five games. If this happened, particularly early in the season, I think Hoyer would have a greater chance than Stidham of winning and keeping the Pats in the championship hunt.

long distance said:

Id be surprised to see Hoyer on initial 53 roster:

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For me moving Hoyer and trusting Stidham to be the backup would be one of the most shocking BB moves ever in terms of risk/reward. And I am not trying to be superlative or dramatic here. He is on an absolutely cheap deal (check what other backups on the level of Hoyer make) and can run the full offense.

This is essentially risking the entire season of a very talented football team over the 53rd roster spot.

NormZauchin said:

Everyone seems to be making this assessment based on Brady being out for all or most of the season. And while I agree that Hoyer leading the Pats to a Super Bowl win under such circumstances is remote, even with a strong defense and running game, Brady might miss three, four, or five games. If this happened, particularly early in the season, I think Hoyer would have a greater chance than Stidham of winning and keeping the Pats in the championship hunt.

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If Brady misses 5 weeks, neither Stidham or Hoyer is going to save the season. And youre figuring without Stidham possibly improving as he learns on the job.

Crystal ball - road map to glory.

Brady starts this year. His final year with the team. Brady plays all 19 games and leads us to a Super Bowl 54 win. The only franchise with 7 Super Bowls!

Hoyer is cut on August 30, is not claimed by any other team, but is retained as assistant qb coach to lead the scout team in practice.

Stidham is the backup qb and takes 5 percent of the reps in practice.

Etling is resigned to the practice squad after Atlanta cuts him.

2020, Brady is off to qb San Francisco (with garrapolo as his his backup). San Francisco wins the Super Bowl. We go a horrible 0 and 16 with Stidham at QB. Prior to the 2020 season, we put almost all of our starters and young backups on ir with the Foxboro flu. We leave Stidham (and etling as the backup) out there with a bunch of journey men and set a record for futility that makes detriot’s winless season look great in comparison.

In April 2021, we draft qb Lawrence of Clemson number 1 overall. For the 2021 season, we return all our now rested and healthy players, who sat out the previous year with the foxboro flu, and win another 7 lombardi’s over the next 10 seasons.

Bb retires near age 80 with 16 rings and laments that he should have had more!!!!

Kraft turns the reins of the team over to his son in 2020 and spends the rest of his days receiving happy endings at the golden dragon day spa and massage emporium in beautiful downtown Miami!

Tampa lost Blaine Gabbert yesterday...

luuked said:

For me moving Hoyer and trusting Stidham to be the backup would be one of the most shocking BB moves ever in terms of risk/reward. And I am not trying to be superlative or dramatic here. He is on an absolutely cheap deal (check what other backups on the level of Hoyer make) and can run the full offense.

This is essentially risking the entire season of a very talented football team over the 53rd roster spot.

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Still comes across a tad dramatic

I was talking about the initial 53 at the moment and your argument is certainly valid.

The fact that they played Stidham almost all of the most important preseason game and gave him a starting offense for considerable period of time (risking further injuries to some depleted groups) suggested to me that the option of potentially going with only Stidham is on the table.

The fact that Hoyer is on cheap deal tells you what the rest of the NFL thinks about him. Remember he was not part of the JG trade; BB had no problem “risking“ him being released by SF and hitting the market in order to sign him on NE terms . and that's despite Pats having only old Brady on the roster at the time..


EDIT: it was probably discussed already but this move would hardly qualify as “one of the most shocking BB moves ever“.

On August 31, 2014 Mallett was traded to the Houston Texans for a conditional sixth round pick.

leaving rookie Jimmy G as the only QB backup.

TB is 5 yrs older now but nothing much has changed in terms of his potential downfall or injury imo. And i dont think Jimmy G offered much more security then than Stidham would now.

long distance said:

Still comes across a tad dramatic

I was talking about the initial 53 at the moment and your argument is certainly valid.

The fact that they played Stidham almost all of the most important preseason game and gave him a starting offense for considerable period of time (risking further injuries to some depleted groups) suggested to me that the option of potentially going with only Stidham is on the table.

The fact that Hoyer is on cheap deal tells you what the rest of the NFL thinks about him. Remember he was not part of the JG trade; BB had no problem “risking“ him being released by SF and hitting the market in order to sign him on NE terms . and that's despite Pats having only old Brady on the roster at the time..

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I know you were responding to a specific post but "dramatic" is the perfect word to describe this board & Hoyer atm.

Everyone understands his value & what he brings but those that think he can lead us to a winning record/playoffs/some posters actually brought up SB is insane.
Very short sighted as well. Look at the progress hes made in this small time. What would he look like at the end of Oct/Nov.

Like you mentioned the fact that Stidham played almost the entire 3rd p/s game tells you all you need to know abt what this team thinks abt the QB situation rn.

Still have yet to hear 1 poster articulate how Hoyer has been better than Stidham so far as well?

Safe play for 2019 is keeping all 3. Risk is that they lose one of their promising secondary players and miss out on having a quality replacement in 2020 when they move on from some of their older players.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

I know you were responding to a specific post but "dramatic" is the perfect word to describe this board & Hoyer atm.

Everyone understands his value & what he brings but those that think he can lead us to a winning record/playoffs/some posters actually brought up SB is insane.
Very short sighted as well. Look at the progress hes made in this small time. What would he look like at the end of Oct/Nov.

Like you mentioned the fact that Stidham played almost the entire 3rd p/s game tells you all you need to know abt what this team thinks abt the QB situation rn.

Still have yet to hear 1 poster articulate how Hoyer has been better than Stidham so far as well?

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I actually believe this team could have a winning record with you or me at QB
Its about January as always with BB Pats.
What is the experience and the record of Hoyer leading a team in January?
Brian Hoyer sinks Texans in 30-0 loss to Chiefs
At least Stidham has one mean underdog November to his name..

BaconGrundleCandy said:

I know you were responding to a specific post but "dramatic" is the perfect word to describe this board & Hoyer atm.

Everyone understands his value & what he brings but those that think he can lead us to a winning record/playoffs/some posters actually brought up SB is insane.
Very short sighted as well. Look at the progress hes made in this small time. What would he look like at the end of Oct/Nov.

Like you mentioned the fact that Stidham played almost the entire 3rd p/s game tells you all you need to know abt what this team thinks abt the QB situation rn.

Still have yet to hear 1 poster articulate how Hoyer has been better than Stidham so far as well?

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I voted for all three QB being kept.

Hoyer doesn’t telegraph 50% of his passes like Stidham does; Stidham should have at least two picks already, probably for pick-sixes. Also, Hoyer doesn’t hang on to the ball too long like Stidham sometimes does, he knows to throw it away. Ball security may not be winning football but it’s not losing football.

Stidham needs reps to develop, so I wouldn’t be too shocked to see him getting as much as a half in PS game 4, yet Hoyer still being kept.

I think Hoyer can game manage and handoff enough to lose fewer games than Stidham would if Brady got hurt.

Not only is Hoyer not great, not only was he never great, but also his best athletic years are behind him. Nonetheless he knows what he’s doing to a much higher level than does Stidham. So I think he gets kept until Stidham beats him out the rest of the way.

"hysterical" is the perfect word to describe this board & Stidham atm.