JOSH GORDON REINSTATED

AndyJohnson said:

Those are certainly areas to evaluate a WR.

When talking about elite dominant WR play I would consider production more important than blocking and I would expect taking double coverage to be a given to start the conversation of dominant WR.

As far as Gordon I’d say his blocking was a positive but I did not see him commanding excessive double teams in fact it was an issue all year that teams continued to double gronk. Not going to get into arguing that because it’s a rabbit hole so if we disagree on that point, so be it.

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TommyBrady12 said:

Plus on defense I think the Roosevelt Colvin injury was huge. If memory serves me right, we lost both Morris and Colvin in the Dallas game...his pass rushing would have been huge in SB 42.

I also think because the offense took a bit of a nosedive in late November/December, it put more of an onus on our defense, which looking back at it was overrated. I don't think the 2007 defense matched the 2001-2004 defenses or even the defenses of 2014-2018. A lot of the D was getting old - players like Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, etc. Teams like Ravens, Eagles, and Giants (regular season) were all able to up a good number of points.

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venecol said:

I see many have DT as one of the 5/6 WRs. I would rather see Inman, who has similar physical traits, is 2 years younger, isn't coming back from an injury, and has had time to work with TB.

Hopefully he shows something in tonights game.

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Gumby said:

Not longer for an argument either.
I don't feel qualified to (objectively/quantitatively) evaluate those areas (for Gordon or others either). I was primarily just throwing the criteria out there.

But I had the impression he was an above avg & enthusiastic blocker. I remember at least two plays when other WRs got 10+ more yds solely due to him.

When you watch other teams, most WRs don't even fake an effort. All Pats WRs seem to be coached up to at least try. And he seemed to me to be above avg for Pats WRs .

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AndyJohnson said:

Those are great stats. I’ve never said Gordon didn’t help the team or play well. I said he wasnt excellent dominant and didn’t resemble 2013 Gordon
Let me put it another way.
If this year Gordon has zero games with over 5 catches, 2 100 yard games and 58 receiving yards or less on half of his games would that meet your expectations of him and would you consider that dominant and excellent?

You don’t have to convince me he is good to have around and helps the team. That is obvious. But if you tell me you truly think his okay in 2018 was excellent and dominant I would be shocked.

Also how much did we pay him is irrelevant to evaluating how he played football. Relevant to other discussions but not that one.

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signbabybrady said:

Oddly enough I actually think 40 year old Watson is better than 27 year old Watson. Kyle Brady was a pretty good blocking TE but I actually think this group should be better than that one.

But other than TE its way to premature to compare this O to 07. Unless Gordon channels his 2013 self we are at least a Randy Moss short of 07.

But with this D we should be fine if our O is not 07 like.

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AndyJohnson said:

Didn’t work last year.
That’s the biggest concern.
Last year was Gordon’s supposed last chance.
He shot his way out of Cleveland. He had everything he wanted here. His team a d teammates supported him. He had any support needed at his disposal. He was playing well, the team was winning.
Yet he still violated, and while you have to be careful about reports, the reports at the time said he wasn’t doing well at all.

I hope he has gained perspective or whatever inner characteristic it will take him to beat this, but all the support possibly has been there for him and even was in Cleveland.
A body guard isn’t the solution.

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AndyJohnson said:

Those are certainly areas to evaluate a WR.

When talking about elite dominant WR play I would consider production more important than blocking and I would expect taking double coverage to be a given to start the conversation of dominant WR.

As far as Gordon I’d say his blocking was a positive but I did not see him commanding excessive double teams in fact it was an issue all year that teams continued to double gronk. Not going to get into arguing that because it’s a rabbit hole so if we disagree on that point, so be it.

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Schmo said:

@DeusIrae thinking of all the people who put him on ignore.

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TommyD4207 said:

He can, he's active Sunday. As the 50 time consecutive offseason champs, you should know this.

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Schmo said:

@DeusIrae thinking of all the people who put him on ignore.

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Bruins29 said:

If Gordon is putting up a 1300 yard season the pats must have some problems. this team is about matchups and balance

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TommyBrady12 said:

Yeah letting the guy know you have him on ignore works perfectly. They won't even bother responding to your posts. I have Deus and 30 or so people on ignore.

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TommyBrady12 said:

Plus on defense I think the Roosevelt Colvin injury was huge. If memory serves me right, we lost both Morris and Colvin in the Dallas game...his pass rushing would have been huge in SB 42.

I also think because the offense took a bit of a nosedive in late November/December, it put more of an onus on our defense, which looking back at it was overrated. I don't think the 2007 defense matched the 2001-2004 defenses or even the defenses of 2014-2018. A lot of the D was getting old - players like Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, etc. Teams like Ravens, Eagles, and Giants (regular season) were all able to up a good number of points.

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Biffins said:

Dude. I am comparing HIS ACTUAL SEASON to others. I am saying he was one of the most efficient receivers in the NFL amongst all players with decent production (700+ yards). I don't know what's left to debate here.

Josh wasn't "okay in 2018", he was phenomenal. I just gave you the stats to prove it. We can only judge him for the games he played and he was incredible. Excellent doesn't do it justice.

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MrBigglesWorth said:

When I think of athletes... Who has dominated at one point and is 4 or so years removed and come back to dominate again? Rocky Williams? Maybe the year he dominated is the aberration.

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SBLIII said:

Excellent, unexpected addition.

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