JOSH GORDON REINSTATED

The top 3 WR's usually get 90% of the receptions. 2 of those 3 played with Brady last year, and Thomas will be fine as a #3 WR.

If your concern is about Brady having another familiar receiver, then we should indeed keep Dorsett. Myers is your #6, a development player for 2020.

QUOTE="BobDigital, post: 5625402, member: 32980"]The WR position is officially log jammed. I assume DT will want to start week 1 to try to hit his incentives.

Edelman, Gorden, Harry Meyers, Dorsett, Thomas. That is 6 and frankly 1 more than you need. While I hate to walk away from a player in the TB circle of trust Dorsett is cuttable. He is due 2.6M and only .5M is on the books. DT can be cut as well. I think he is only getting paid 150K for sure with the rest TBD.

While clearly Thomas has more upside there is a real question here. Do you want 3 players in the WR core that Brady has never played with? IDK if we do. IT worked out in 2007 but those were amazing players who were ready to rock the league week 1 and had been pros for a while.[/QUOTE]

I hope Josh G can stay clean.

shmessy said:

9-2 with Gordon if BB/Flores didn't throw Gronk out there to play defense on the last play of the Miami game..........

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Right because the last 3 secjnds were why we lost and the other 59:57 were meaningless.

Take away the buffalo game where we never threw because we ran for 275 and what does that do to the yards statistic? Factor in Edelman and what does that do? Live by stats, die by stats.

Bruins29 said:

Andy. Let’s put up a poll. Let’s see if the site thinks 1000 yard pace and adding 65 yards of offense to Brady per game — with no camp and no preseason and no week 1 or 2 When he was injured is.

a. Excellent t
B. Just ok

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a. Excellent

AndyJohnson said:

By September moss was in the team 4 months and practiced less than 1.
By November Gordon was on the team 2 months and practiced 2.
Are you telling me that being in the roster during non football time makes you more attuned to the system than being at practice? Seriously?
Did Gordon look like moss in November?

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Please keep making the Gordon to Moss comparisons. It's getting me excited.

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IF (big if) Gordon plays 16 games...

Floor:
1,250 yards
75 receptions
8 TDs

Ceiling: Best WR in the game.

Biffins said:

He's 28........... but yeah I agree with the gist of your post. Don't let me stop you.

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Crazy Patriot Guy said:

Do I think he would have broken records had he been here since May? Of course not. Do I think he could have done better? Certainly. And I certainly think he can have a better season this year.

Considering the amount of WRs that come here and never get on the same page with Tom, seeing the trust he showed in Gordon pretty quickly was impressive. I see no reason not to expect that chemistry to improve this season.

Earlier you said he wasn't special, dominant or game changing. That's fine. He won't be taking the roster spot of anyone special, dominant or game changing.

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I’m not sure what you think I said.

I didn’t say I don’t want him. I didn’t say he wasn’t good.
I said he wasn’t 2013 Gordon and that wasn’t just because he was “learning the offense”

AndyJohnson said:

By September moss was in the team 4 months and practiced less than 1.
By November Gordon was on the team 2 months and practiced 2.
Are you telling me that being in the roster during non football time makes you more attuned to the system than being at practice? Seriously?
Did Gordon look like moss in November?

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Would you count Moss summer months as practice (has playbook?, summer workouts with Brady?)?

AndyJohnson said:

Right because the last 3 secjnds were why we lost and the other 59:57 were meaningless.

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Pass for the first part of the sentence.

Fail for the second.

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shmessy said:

Please keep making the Gordon to Moss comparisons. It's getting me excited.

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I’m not comparing them.

Ras-IR Dowling said:

Would you count Moss summer months as practice (has playbook?, summer workouts with Brady?)?

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No. Practice is practice.

Some thoughts:

1. When I first heard about it, I was THRILLED that that he was back this early. Later I wanted to ask, What happened between now and 4 weeks ago that got Josh reinstated. Why not on the first day of camp like we expected all spring and especially after Hill got whitewashed?

2. Getting him 3 weeks of practice before the first game is a HUGE advantage over last season. From all reports, he's in the best shape of his career, and while he never looked as explosive with us as he did with Cleveland, we might see more of that this time around because his familiarity with the playbook will allow him to play faster this time around.

3. I'm no longer worried about the loss of Gronk. Gronk's highest function was to be the guy that Brady could throw to regardless of how he was being covered. This season Brady will have multiple guys who can fill that function. So if the TE's only amass 400 yds this season. or the 700 we got last year, Josh McDaniels will figure out how to fill those Gronk routes with big and relatively fast receivers.

4. The biggest area I think we will feel Gronk's loss is at the 2nd TE spot. (I think Izzo can adequately replace Allen as a blocker). But the more I think on it, Gordon is a great blocker on runs, so is Edelman, and one of the most impressive things I saw about Harry was the fact he is a TENACIOUS, and more than willing blocker on run plays. So while we lose Gronk's blocking we are gaining in having 3 top grade blockers at receiver on runs. It might not be as big a loss as it couldn't have been.

5. Here's what I got to say about Gordon's reliability. We all know that the next play could be a player's last play in the NFL. That goes especially at the WR position. So sure, no one can be sure that Gordon is going to last the season, but as we have seen so often, no one can be sure that ANYONE is going to last the season, so why worry about it....or even make a big deal about it. It is what it is, and why worry about things you can't control.

6. In my mind Edelman, Gordon, Harry, and Dorsett are locks That leaves one sure roster spot for Harris, Inman, Barrios, and Meyers to fight for. Maybe they'll keep 6 WR's and 2 TE's to start the season, maybe not. I know Dorsett has his detractors, thought I don't know why its so virulent, but his unique skill set, his catch/target percentage, and his familiarity with Brady make him a lock in my book .

7. I can easily see DThomas start the season on PUP and sit the first 6-10 games and be ready to add experienced depth, if necessary. I can see Meridith stay where he is and be stashed for next season.

8.It is more than Ironic that a DAY after the media was moaning about the lack of WR's, it is entirely possible that 3 NFL quality WR's will get cut in the next 15 days. Take your pick between Meyers, Inman, Harris, and Barrios. It is very likely that only one will join Edelman, Gordon, Harry, and Dorsett on the final 53. Hard to have a crisis at WR when you have let 3 decent guys go.

9. BTW- anyone thought about hiring Randy Moss to be Gordon's personal life coach. He'd certainly be someone Gordon would listen to. Besides he's worked with a number of WR's in the off season. It would be great to have him around all season occasionally working with the WR's on specific things. He's smart and knows his stuff.

shmessy said:

Pass for the first part of the sentence.

Fail for the second.

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So you agree your point was silly.

JetFan79 said:

IF (big if) Gordon plays 16 games...

Floor:
1,250 yards
75 receptions
8 TDs

Ceiling: Best WR in the game.

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I think your numbers are quite high. This ain't Cleveland. The Patriots have a deep and diverse system.

And unfortunately,regarding your first sentence, it IS a big "if". No one should take anything for granted in this situation.

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His highlights from last year make me think this offense will be really clicking with him. Would love to sse what he can do for a 16 game season and playoffs.

AndyJohnson said:

No. Practice is practice.

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Well I guess summer workouts practicing all the different routes, getting timing down doesn’t constitute practice.

Le Numéro Douze said:

There are going to be mismatches. Edelman, Gordon, Thomas and Harry. Who do you cover?

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Thomas isn't back yet. Harry is a rookie. You cover the vets. Harry/Myers need to beat CB3/4

Bruins29 said:

Andy. Let’s put up a poll. Let’s see if the site thinks 1000 yard pace and adding 65 yards of offense to Brady per game — with no camp and no preseason and no week 1 or 2 When he was injured is.

a. Excellent
B. Just ok

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What teams was Gordon active against? What other receivers were healthy? What were the pass defense rankings? When did the yards come? Do you have any more context other than a conveniently provided tweet with "MuH 56 yArDs"? I don't ask this to be an ass it's just way too lazy to say "Brady have Gordon Brady play gooder me want Gordon"

Gordon was good last year. Your opinion of excellent vs good or ok or whatever is a dumb point to argue over really because it's such a subjective term. It's just semantics at this point

robertweathers said:

I'm done with that board. Zero value

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I enjoyed you over there. But I do have to agree it is like going over to the elephant graveyard in lion king.