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I thought I'd start a thread to highlight a short video by Matt Chatham at NESN who extolled what he's seen of LT Isaiah Wynn. He marveled at his quick feet, and extolled his pad level and power against the hard rush. I have since read several others who pretty much were saying the same thing, pointing out many of the reasons the Pats made him their highest first round pick since Nate Solder at #17 though its kind of ridiculous to think that 23 as a high pick for the last decade, but I guess that's the pain of being a Pats fan. ;) ).

BTW- I would have had a link to the clip if I knew how to do it, but its on the NESN site. Also there is something wrong in a name that has 3 consecutive vowels in the middle, right? ;)

The point being that everyone legitimately viewed the LT position as being one of few question marks about this team. I know I did. Well, based on the limited reviews we've had, we can all breathe a little easier because it looks like not only will Wynn be our LT, he could be a GREAT one.

When he was first drafted a LOT of the pundits were saying that he's too short and light to be a LT in the NFL but was a perfect fit as a guard. I remember hearing the same thing about another Pats' LT when Matt Light was drafted. I remember posting that while Light was an adequate LT, he'd be an All Pro as a LG. Fortunately Bill wasn't watching the site that day and missed my suggestion. ;)

I was less fearful. I thought Wynn's lightning feet are made for today's game, where 4.6 edge rushers are becoming the norm. Quickness and athleticism are more and more becoming the prerequisites for great offensive linemen. Bulk and strength, while still important, are no longer the only requirements for the job. Granted his height and arm length are about 2-3 inches shorter than the ideal that we've come to expect, but I believe strongly that elite foot speed, agility, and technique beat that minor defect.

Hopefully he will get a series or two on Saturday and make me look like a prophet instead of a fraud. ;)

Now we pause this post for a RANT!

If you caught the talk show circuit the last few days the media's narrative has taken 2 pathways. First, that the Pats were negligent this off season when they didn't sign anyone significant at WR. Second, that the Pats are setting up Brady for failure by NOT providing him with any targets at WR and TE. These are both BULLSH!T narratives and I'm kind of getting pissed at having to hear them day in and day out.

The media (and that includes both national as well as local) has ALWAYS had a very distorted view of the value of WR's. Today Bertrand was saying, "hey, teams like the Falcons can afford to pay big bucks to assemble great WR's," My head almost exploded when I heard that "hot take" drivel.

Think about it. How many times have great WR's led their team to Superbowls. Sure the Falcons went to one with the highly paid Jones and Sanu, but clearly that was a one and done affair. How the F*CK can these local guys watch the last 20 years of Patriots football and come up with that kind of take. Think of all the great WR's who never even sniffed a ring. That number is far greater than the few who actually got one. Overpaying WR's, who if they touch the ball 10 times in a game is HUGE, has been the death knell for many a good team over the years. Often times these teams are paying ONE guy what the Pats are paying ALL their WR's.....and STILL we as Pats fans continually salivate when ANY WR becomes available.

Here are the facts. The WR talent the Pats have in this current TC is BETTER than what was there last season. You know the season where we WON as superbowl. :rolleyes: It's bigger, more athletic and more versatile. Harry looks like a keeper. Meyers looks a lot better than a "developmental guy". Harris and Inman have flashed, well enough to make a decent looking slot guy like Berrios in danger of not making the 53. Plus Gunner actually looks like a "developmental guy" worth a PS slot.
AND you have proven NFL quality WR's in Gordon, Thomas and Meredith waiting in the wings

Granted there are a bunch of these guys out with MINOR injuries, but Brady has gone on to win MANY MANY games with receiver corps a LOT worse and thinner than this one. The only FACTUAL complaint that can be made is that the injury situation has lessened the familiarity that the WR's will have with Brady. While the reality is, imho, the Pats will have to make some difficult cuts come September at WR and at least a couple of NFL quality WR's are going to be let go.

If you want proof that the WR hysteria is unjustified you just have to look at the last 2 practices the Pats had with one of the better secondaries in the conference. Based on all reports, the Pats moved the ball through the air far better than Titan with a WR group that included, Inman, Meyers, Berrios and a guy who was playing CB at freakin D-2 Bemiji State getting first team reps as a WR (AND impressing Malcom Butler)

Now a lot of that success had to do with the QB, of course. And it would have been better for him to be working with Harry etc. But the fact is they moved the ball. They were EFFECTIVE, with a WR group made up of guys who are unlikely to make the team, at least most of them. There IS no WR problem!!!!!

Rant over.
 
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Wait, we’re not trading for Trent Williams?...
 
Rant on, brother Ken.
But...
"If you caught the talk show circuit the last few days ...and I'm kind of getting pissed at having to hear them day in and day out."

Should we call the MA State Police and FBI because you've been taken hostage and forced to listen to Boston Sports Radio until you spill the beans?
 
Get off my freakin lawn you #@$+'s!
 
Clearly we have been remiss in our obligations and it is time for an intervention. Friends don't let friends Sportshub "day in and day out".

I'm sorry we have failed you Ken
 
I agree about the WR position. There are a few WRs that are worth a lot, provided they are at top form, (though they’re still not what they’re paid) like Jones, Thomas, Hopkins and mental patient formerly known as Antonio Brown. Then there are like 20 guys who are “star receivers” who are totally overpaid in terms of what they actually provide towards winning football games. I think the Pats have done a great job of upgrading with Harry (potentially), Meyers, Harris, and Berrios all looking like solid options along with with Dorset and Edelman. I’ve noticed they seem to be better in the postseason with a deeper arsenal of competent receivers rather than 1-2 elite ones and a bunch of fill ins. I didn’t even mention Demaryius Thomas and Josh Gordon who, while both very shaky about their availability, are on the team as well.

I was soooo glad we didn’t sign Tate or Humphries at those price tags.

We also overlook that White, Burkhead, and (likely) Harris will be an outstanding trio of pass catching RBs, plus we have a pro bowl-level RB in Michel.

With a great offensive line, I don’t understand the criticism. If we had Gronk, this might be one of our our best, deepest offenses. Without Gronk, I still expect them to be very good.

Last season, we won with Hogan starting (who is cooked), and Dorsett was the #1 receiver the first four games. Patterson isn’t even really a WR. This year’s group is will be much better. I predict this group puts TB12 right in the thick of the MVP race, which is basically whichever great QB has the best weapons.
 
Now we pause this post for a RANT!

This just in...

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BTW, I'm actually OK if Wynn is a solid starting guard for a year or for more, and we need to move Thuney to LT. I guess that I haven't seen any evidence that Wynn could be a GREAT LT, but that isn't necessary. What we need for 2019 and 2020 is a solid starter.

I thought I'd start a thread to highlight a short video by Matt Chatham at NESN who extolled what he's seen of LT Isaiah Wynn. He marveled at his quick feet, and extolled his pad level and power against the hard rush. I have since read several others who pretty much were saying the same thing, pointing out many of the reasons the Pats made him their highest first round pick since Nate Solder at #17 though its kind of ridiculous to think that 23 as a high pick for the last decade, but I guess that's the pain of being a Pats fan. ;) ).

BTW- I would have had a link to the clip if I knew how to do it, but its on the NESN site. Also there is something wrong in a name that has 3 consecutive vowels in the middle, right? ;)

The point being that everyone legitimately viewed the LT position as being one of few question marks about this team. I know I did. Well, based on the limited reviews we've had, we can all breathe a little easier because it looks like not only will Wynn be our LT, he could be a GREAT one.

When he was first drafted a LOT of the pundits were saying that he's too short and light to be a LT in the NFL but was a perfect fit as a guard. I remember hearing the same thing about another Pats' LT when Matt Light was drafted. I remember posting that while Light was an adequate LT, he'd be an All Pro as a LG. Fortunately Bill wasn't watching the site that day and missed my suggestion. ;)

I was less fearful. I thought Wynn's lightning feet are made for today's game, where 4.6 edge rushers are becoming the norm. Quickness and athleticism are more and more becoming the prerequisites for great offensive linemen. Bulk and strength, while still important, are no longer the only requirements for the job. Granted his height and arm length are about 2-3 inches shorter than the ideal that we've come to expect, but I believe strongly that elite foot speed, agility, and technique beat that minor defect.

Hopefully he will get a series or two on Saturday and make me look like a prophet instead of a fraud. ;)

Now we pause this post for a RANT!

If you caught the talk show circuit the last few days the media's narrative has taken 2 pathways. First, that the Pats were negligent this off season when they didn't sign anyone significant at WR. Second, that the Pats are setting up Brady for failure by NOT providing him with any targets at WR and TE. These are both BULLSH!T narratives and I'm kind of getting pissed at having to hear them day in and day out.

The media (and that includes both national as well as local) has ALWAYS had a very distorted view of the value of WR's. Today Bertrand was saying, "hey, teams like the Falcons can afford to pay big bucks to assemble great WR's," My head almost exploded when I heard that "hot take" drivel.

Think about it. How many times have great WR's led their team to Superbowls. Sure the Falcons went to one with the highly paid Jones and Sanu, but clearly that was a one and done affair. How the F*CK can these local guys watch the last 20 years of Patriots football and come up with that kind of take. Think of all the great WR's who never even sniffed a ring. That number is far greater than the few who actually got one. Overpaying WR's, who if they touch the ball 10 times in a game is HUGE, has been the death knell for many a good team over the years. Often times these teams are paying ONE guy what the Pats are paying ALL their WR's.....and STILL we as Pats fans continually salivate when ANY WR becomes available.

Here are the facts. The WR talent the Pats have in this current TC is BETTER than what was there last season. You know the season where we WON as superbowl. :rolleyes: It's bigger, more athletic and more versatile. Harry looks like a keeper. Meyers looks a lot better than a "developmental guy". Harris and Inman have flashed, well enough to make a decent looking slot guy like Berrios in danger of not making the 53. Plus Gunner actually looks like a "developmental guy" worth a PS slot.
AND you have proven NFL quality WR's in Gordon, Thomas and Meredith waiting in the wings

Granted there are a bunch of these guys out with MINOR injuries, but Brady has gone on to win MANY MANY games with receiver corps a LOT worse and thinner than this one. The only FACTUAL complaint that can be made is that the injury situation has lessened the familiarity that the WR's will have with Brady. While the reality is, imho, the Pats will have to make some difficult cuts come September at WR and at least a couple of NFL quality WR's are going to be let go.

If you want proof that the WR hysteria is unjustified you just have to look at the last 2 practices the Pats had with one of the better secondaries in the conference. Based on all reports, the Pats moved the ball through the air far better than Titan with a WR group that included, Inman, Meyers, Berrios and a guy who was playing CB at freakin D-2 Bemiji State getting first team reps as a WR (AND impressing Malcom Butler)

Now a lot of that success had to do with the QB, of course. And it would have been better for him to be working with Harry etc. But the fact is they moved the ball. They were EFFECTIVE, with a WR group made up of guys who are unlikely to make the team, at least most of them. There IS no WR problem!!!!!

Rant over.
 
As long as we're on a local media rant, here goes: Curran, on Boston Sports Tonight last evening, said (I'm paraphrasing) that it's not unreasonable to assume that Belichick's successor as head coach will be Jerrod Mayo. I guess I missed McDaniels' death notice in the newspaper. .I love Mayo and think he's a legitimate quality coaching prospect, but he hasn't coached a regular season game as linebackers coach. Based upon some of his recent takes, I think Tom E. (whom I like) fell of his bicycle and landed head first on the pavement.
 
Many of us are just “regular people” who don’t “watch / follow for a living”. Yet, almost all of us laugh as the people PAID to follow the team moan about the lack of skill at this or that position.

Why would any team want to lock in lotsa $ at WR or RB ? Makes no sense. I’m more than happy with the cap allocated to the positions BB finds cost effective. It’s one of the key ingredients to the SBs.
 
So help me out: Wynn, a former Bulldog, has QUICK feet???
 
The receiver roster for last year's playoffs was JE, Dorsett, Hogan and Patterson, if we even count Patterson as a WR. Basically if they find someone a little better than 2018 Hogan, which isn't a moonshot, the group is improved.
 
@patfanken - Thanks for the Tidbit that Olszewski impressed Butler. That says a lot about the kid. I'm hoping that he makes his way to the PS.
 
As long as we're on a local media rant, here goes: Curran, on Boston Sports Tonight last evening, said (I'm paraphrasing) that it's not unreasonable to assume that Belichick's successor as head coach will be Jerrod Mayo. I guess I missed McDaniels' death notice in the newspaper. .I love Mayo and think he's a legitimate quality coaching prospect, but he hasn't coached a regular season game as linebackers coach. Based upon some of his recent takes, I think Tom E. (whom I like) fell of his bicycle and landed head first on the pavement.

Curran has definitely been "different" the past 4-6 months.

Methinks the marketing suits at NBC Boston have been strongly advising him about the business of ratings/clicks.

It's too bad, because he used to be as credible as Reiss for a long time.

But, hey. I can't fault him for wanting to make money.

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Jones, Thomas, Hopkins and mental patient formerly known as Antonio Brown.

And the Pats have beat them ALL repeatedly. Why? Because they drag down the cap, can be easily game planned to remove from huge impact, and in a lot of cases screw up team chemistry by also being divas.

I'm firmly in the WRs are overrated camp as well. That huge cash can be spread over multiple receivers or even the whole squad to survive injuries better over the long season.
 
The receiver roster for last year's playoffs was JE, Dorsett, Hogan and Patterson, if we even count Patterson as a WR. Basically if they find someone a little better than 2018 Hogan, which isn't a moonshot, the group is improved.


I called Hogan "Chang and Eng" last year because he just could never get separation.

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And the Pats have beat them ALL repeatedly. Why? Because they drag down the cap, can be easily game planned to remove from huge impact, and in a lot of cases screw up team chemistry by also being divas.

I'm firmly in the WRs are overrated camp as well. That huge cash can be spread over multiple receivers or even the whole squad to survive injuries better over the long season.


I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE how the rest of the NFL and the media have made the same mistakes over and over again the past 20 years ........and they NEVER learn.

That's really the secret as to why Brady wants to play to 45 and beyond and that BB is about to break his long ago promise not to coach into his 70's like Marv Levy.

If a fine restaurant gave me a free lifetime pass to their deluxe buffet, I'd never fit into regular sized pants again.

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