JOSH GORDON REINSTATED

betterthanthealternative said:

This is all so mind-numbingly stupid.

Josh Gordon wins big in one genetic lottery (physical) and loses badly in another (brain chemistry). I suspect he'd rather they were reversed. He's operating in a society that shames mental health troubles and criminalizes self-medication with just about anything not developed by big pharma. His employer is about 30 years behind the science (when they aren't distorting science) and treats a performance-reducing drug similarly to performance-enhancing, body distorting drugs. He needs structure, routine, and the stress reduction of physical activity. But, no, let's cast him out of the tribe where he can get these things instead.

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Dorito Dink said:

This is so perfectly stated.

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betterthanthealternative said:

Yes, and, people who have spoken about victory re: food addiction point out that it is the one addiction that requires participation in the substance to which they are addicted. That adds a layer of complexity. Its like, "I've got to get over this addiction to oxygen!"

Victory seems to be about discovering the hormonal and emotional needs that are being created by, and met by, impulsive food attachments. Once that's discovered, and sufficient early warning radar put in place, it allow for the underlying issues to be addressed (depression, habits of despair, body image shame, etc.). And, of course (as you know), everyone's path is unique.

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betterthanthealternative said:

All of the research in the last decade has shown that there are many, many more factors in weight loss than a linear caloric calculation. Genes getting turned on and off by certain substances is fascinating, for example. And the work being done at Harvard on hunger cycles is equally interesting: if you allow your body to get hungry each day (16-18 hours without intake of anything that trips the glycemic response), you can literally eat more calories per day than if you don't. The body is complex and still not understood in many ways and the traditional nutritionist profession has been making a mess of things with their certainty, which changes every 5 years.

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SammyBlueCat said:

I have a family member that struggles with addiction (to who knows what) as well as depression.
He cannot hold a steady job.

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PatriotsReign said:

I wonder if in the early days, humans only ate once or twice a day? It is a fascinating topic. My company actually paid for all employees to get a DNA test that was nutritionally analyzed.

I had a consultation with the company’s nutritionist and was told about my tendencies related to vitamin & mineral absorption, body type & best exercise routines and diet

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fnordcircle said:

I'm down 70 lbs, not quite svelte but almost. For me it was recognizing a desire to augment a good time with bad food. Watching a Pats game? Let's throw in a pizza or a big bunch of nachos. Food as a reward. Food as an enhancement to a reward. More food than I should eat in a day for being good for part of a day, etc.

I'm actually finding that intermittent fasting + keto are the best for me. Because when I do eat it's great (keto is fantastic for savory food) and then I'm going on a year of not eating more than 200 calories before dinner time. It's still a struggle but if I want to get laid it has to happen.

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betterthanthealternative said:

Yes, but I think that IF is poorly named. It isn't about fasting, and there's nothing "intermittent" about it. It is just about creating a different relationship with food, and a different eating cycle.

Personally, when I choose to eat in a 6 hour window, I feel more free from food impulsivity than any other time. And the amount of time I save in a day is amazing (plus, money). Just having coffee or tea in the morning, and then just ignoring food until early afternoon, is tremendously empowering.

Part of my motivation is I'm perpetually pissed off about how modern marketing has turned the US population into a bunch of slaves who otherwise think they are exercising free will, so I'm a bit more grumpy about all that than most. My version of "Get off my lawn" is "Get out of my head!".

This is one of my favorite little books: Advertising ****s in Your Head: Strategies for resistance by Anonymous

More than you bargained for?

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PatriotsReign said:

Whatever works, but the goal is staying healthy long term. So whatever will fit your life moving forward is best

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farn said:

I appreciate the discipline NE has set and therefore they are perhaps more “ready” to deal with such a particular individual. The fact that they won the SB w/o him is another indicator that regardless of how this plays out, NE is fine. Furthermore, by all accounts, people like Gordon. Teammates seem to genuinely care, so that also adds to the good vibes.

Having said all of that, at the risk of being very unpopular, I don’t understand why they are going this route. While talented and seemingly popular, Gordon is the ultimate “unreliable”. Putting aside his real struggles and the warm feelings everyone shares, the NFL has long been a business. I’d have rather the team send warm wishes and a ring for his contributions while here.

Closing : I hope things go well for Gordon and it’d be great to see him finish a season, but the probabilities are so minuscule that I can’t say it’s a smart move to keep him around.

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farn said:

I appreciate the discipline NE has set and therefore they are perhaps more “ready” to deal with such a particular individual. The fact that they won the SB w/o him is another indicator that regardless of how this plays out, NE is fine. Furthermore, by all accounts, people like Gordon. Teammates seem to genuinely care, so that also adds to the good vibes.

Having said all of that, at the risk of being very unpopular, I don’t understand why they are going this route. While talented and seemingly popular, Gordon is the ultimate “unreliable”. Putting aside his real struggles and the warm feelings everyone shares, the NFL has long been a business. I’d have rather the team send warm wishes and a ring for his contributions while here.

Closing : I hope things go well for Gordon and it’d be great to see him finish a season, but the probabilities are so minuscule that I can’t say it’s a smart move to keep him around.

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farn said:

...Having said all of that...I don’t understand why they are going this route. While talented and seemingly popular, Gordon is the ultimate “unreliable"...
...it’d be great to see him finish a season, but the probabilities are so minuscule that I can’t say it’s a smart move to keep him around.

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farn said:

I appreciate the discipline NE has set and therefore they are perhaps more “ready” to deal with such a particular individual. The fact that they won the SB w/o him is another indicator that regardless of how this plays out, NE is fine. Furthermore, by all accounts, people like Gordon. Teammates seem to genuinely care, so that also adds to the good vibes.

Having said all of that, at the risk of being very unpopular, I don’t understand why they are going this route. While talented and seemingly popular, Gordon is the ultimate “unreliable”. Putting aside his real struggles and the warm feelings everyone shares, the NFL has long been a business. I’d have rather the team send warm wishes and a ring for his contributions while here.

Closing : I hope things go well for Gordon and it’d be great to see him finish a season, but the probabilities are so minuscule that I can’t say it’s a smart move to keep him around.[/QUOTE]




And with the High Draft pick and signings I think they have taken enough precautions.

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farn said:

I appreciate the discipline NE has set and therefore they are perhaps more “ready” to deal with such a particular individual. The fact that they won the SB w/o him is another indicator that regardless of how this plays out, NE is fine. Furthermore, by all accounts, people like Gordon. Teammates seem to genuinely care, so that also adds to the good vibes.

Having said all of that, at the risk of being very unpopular, I don’t understand why they are going this route. While talented and seemingly popular, Gordon is the ultimate “unreliable”. Putting aside his real struggles and the warm feelings everyone shares, the NFL has long been a business. I’d have rather the team send warm wishes and a ring for his contributions while here.

Closing : I hope things go well for Gordon and it’d be great to see him finish a season, but the probabilities are so minuscule that I can’t say it’s a smart move to keep him around.

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SBLIII said:

They won the SB with a great 5 game stretch.

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betterthanthealternative said:

I've no doubt that if he hadn't been such a quick study of the offense, plus hit it off well with Brady, they wouldn't be bothering. But the guy proved to be nearly plug-and-play, so why not have him as a late season option, especially if another WR gets hurt (which usually happens).

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luuked said:

Since we are speculating away.

Maybe they had this stretch BECAUSE Gordon wasn't available anymore and instead of high upside playcalls with 50/50 balls (like that fourth down pass to Gordon against the Bears) they reverted back to be less vertical albeit with a higher completion rate.

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patchick said:

Not to mention that with a WR corps that at this point appears to be heavy on crafty possession receivers and light on downfield demons, Gordon would be a pretty ideal addition.

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