Patriots linebacker Elandon Roberts says he was harassed at home by police

supafly · Jul 13, 2019

venecol said:
LMFAO, Andy arguing with Andy, classic! Who will win? This could go on forever.

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Did this actually happen? Andy replied to his own post, not knowing that he was arguing with himself?

DarrylS · Jul 13, 2019

KontradictioN said:
24 over is what he supposedly did wrong. There really doesn’t have to be an “aside from.” I was cuffed when I was younger for being that much over the limit. I didn’t play for the NFL, so I didn’t get let go.

Not quite sure what you are disagreeing with, except for the purpose of disagreement.. His lawbreaking was acknowledged, without regard it took 9 minutes to tell him what he was charged with.. officer could have been a lot clearer and may have avoided this situation.

Usually law enforcement is about keeping the peace, not inciting conflict..

RobertWeathers · Jul 13, 2019

IllegalContact said:
You publish it so I can call ‘bullsh1t’

It's the accompanying article to the video from the BBC. Good luck calling BS.

I can conclude a) you never read the accompanying article with that video clip on BBC and b) refuse to provide the board with the context behind that horrible event?

I see.

RobertWeathers · Jul 13, 2019

supafly said:
Did this actually happen? Andy replied to his own post, not knowing that he was arguing with himself?

Andy needs football. We all do.

Patsfan1645 · Jul 13, 2019

IllegalContact said:
Great! That certainly clarifies everything....I get it now, it can’t be a race issue due to a lack of experience. What was I thinking.

No one said those two cant go hand in hand but I don't believe that's the case hear. It was night time and Roberts car had tinted windows there is about zero chance the officer was observing a speeding car under these conditions and can say the race of the occupants. It sounds to me you believe race was a factor, what actions did you observe that make you believe this was racially motivated?

RobertWeathers · Jul 13, 2019

DarrylS said:
Not quite sure what you are disagreeing with, except for the purpose of disagreement.. His lawbreaking was acknowledged, without regard it took 9 minutes to tell him what he was charged with.. officer could have been a lot clearer and may have avoided this situation.

Usually law enforcement is about keeping the peace, not inciting conflict..

He was lackidasical in stating the purpose of the the traffic stop and discourteous to Mrs ER but I don't see where he was inciting conflict.

Patsfan1645 · Jul 13, 2019

The time delay on explaining to Roberts the reason for the stop was because the officer called for a non priority assist and he waited in his car for them to arrive. I think he did this because Roberts got out of the car and he had to tell him a couple times to get back in the car and the fact that he saw Roberts was a big guy. I however didn't think Roberts was being threatening and it didn't take much effort to gain his compliance (no guns were drawn). I don't think having a back up heading his way was a bad idea in case this went south but I also didn't perceive the officer to be in any danger. He could have gone ahead and approached the car and spoke with Roberts. I'm not a fan of people just sitting in a tinted out vehicle during a traffic stop without having an officer up at the vehicle monitoring what the occupants are doing. I would be more concerned that there are several people in the car and maybe they are forming a plan to roll out with weapons. I want to make that contact quickly if its safe to do so. I want to see whats going on in that car and I want to hold that ground if I feel something isn't right until I get back up to help me conduct a safe stop. Making that initial contact in a more timely manner may have changed how this went. I'm sure Roberts was getting irritated just sitting and waiting in his own driveway (which is a very bad location for a traffic stop to be conducted). Even after the long delay and the frustration coming from Roberts I think if the officer would have just communicated with him more the reasons for the stop the reason for the delay this may have never made the news. The wife situation is an entirely different topic.

anditsgood · Jul 13, 2019

Patsfan1645 said:
The time delay on explaining to Roberts the reason for the stop was because the officer called for a non priority assist and he waited in his car for them to arrive. I think he did this because Roberts got out of the car and he had to tell him a couple times to get back in the car and the fact that he saw Roberts was a big guy. I however didn't think Roberts was being threatening and it didn't take much effort to gain his compliance (no guns were drawn). I don't think having a back up heading his way was a bad idea in case this went south but I also didn't perceive the officer to be in any danger. He could have gone ahead and approached the car and spoke with Roberts. I'm not a fan of people just sitting in a tinted out vehicle during a traffic stop without having an officer up at the vehicle monitoring what the occupants are doing. I would be more concerned that there are several people in the car and maybe they are forming a plan to roll out with weapons. I want to make that contact quickly if its safe to do so. I want to see whats going on in that car and I want to hold that ground if I feel something isn't right until I get back up to help me conduct a safe stop. Making that initial contact in a more timely manner may have changed how this went. I'm sure Roberts was getting irritated just sitting and waiting in his own driveway (which is a very bad location for a traffic stop to be conducted). Even after the long delay and the frustration coming from Roberts I think if the officer would have just communicated with him more the reasons for the stop the reason for the delay this may have never made the news. The wife situation is an entirely different topic.

other than "worrying about a witness", i fail to see whats wrong with ordering the wife back in the house, i see it as more of a to control the situation

maust · Jul 13, 2019

supafly said:
Did this actually happen? Andy replied to his own post, not knowing that he was arguing with himself?

On the plus side, at least he finally found someone to disagree with that won't mutter 'What was I thinking' and give up the argument as a bad bet

IllegalContact · Jul 13, 2019

robertweathers said:
It's the accompanying article to the video from the BBC. Good luck calling BS.

I can conclude a) you never read the accompanying article with that video clip on BBC and b) refuse to provide the board with the context behind that horrible event?

I see.

I read an article from azcentral ..... but feel free to run with whatever rolls with your POV

Richard Camembert · Jul 13, 2019

Patsfan1645 said:
The time delay on explaining to Roberts the reason for the stop was because the officer called for a non priority assist and he waited in his car for them to arrive. I think he did this because Roberts got out of the car and he had to tell him a couple times to get back in the car and the fact that he saw Roberts was a big guy. I however didn't think Roberts was being threatening and it didn't take much effort to gain his compliance (no guns were drawn). I don't think having a back up heading his way was a bad idea in case this went south but I also didn't perceive the officer to be in any danger. He could have gone ahead and approached the car and spoke with Roberts. I'm not a fan of people just sitting in a tinted out vehicle during a traffic stop without having an officer up at the vehicle monitoring what the occupants are doing. I would be more concerned that there are several people in the car and maybe they are forming a plan to roll out with weapons. I want to make that contact quickly if its safe to do so. I want to see whats going on in that car and I want to hold that ground if I feel something isn't right until I get back up to help me conduct a safe stop. Making that initial contact in a more timely manner may have changed how this went. I'm sure Roberts was getting irritated just sitting and waiting in his own driveway (which is a very bad location for a traffic stop to be conducted). Even after the long delay and the frustration coming from Roberts I think if the officer would have just communicated with him more the reasons for the stop the reason for the delay this may have never made the news. The wife situation is an entirely different topic.

Yeah, not a LEO, I watched the video. I thought the cop was tailing him to see if he looked drunk etc. I didn’t see any sign that ER was speeding. I wonder if the cop ran his license before the dash cam footage started, or knew who he was. Can’t see any other way you would know ER’s ethnicity before he got out of the car. He pulled him over in his driveway, ER gets out to talk to him; I thought maybe he wouldn’t have if he got stopped on the side of the road, but it was in his house and so he wanted to talk to the guy. Instead he gets told to go back inside, roll the windows, hands on the wheel, and he does so. Also ER stayed in there a looong time, with no issues. I didn’t think he was non compliant in any way. I think the officer was trying to control the situation. The woman comes out, gets told to go back inside and shut the garage door, and instead opens another door and stays outside to watch. (I’m imagining my wife getting nervous and hitting the wrong garage door button then not wanting to compound things.) Guessing if the officer came out of the car to talk to her this could have been defused, but if the situation goes sideways he is exposed and there are probably procedures about that. I also wondered if the officer was texting somebody so as not to be recorded on the dash cam. But maybe he was waiting for the backup.

Rich guy speeds and gets off with a verbal. But also got scared in his own house and complained. His wife or whoever that was freaked out a little and made it awkward. Cop was a little edgy and needs to be more polished.

It’s always good to promote these discussions because inside we are all hardwired to notice and react to even random difference, plus we all experience micro influences which fuel bias, and we all need to be aware of and own these processes and not be ruled by them.

Ivan · Jul 13, 2019

203Pat said:
What a jerk that cop is for stopping someone from doing 20 MPH over the speed limit!

Then why didn’t he ticket him?

Patsfan1645 · Jul 13, 2019

I agree promoting discussion is good and that's why I continue to comment on this thread. Normally I don't get involved in discussion regarding police because I generally find peoples emotions dictate the conversation. But so far this has been a civil discussion.

Lets talk about the in car camera for a second. If you notice in the video the first 30 seconds there is no sound. Thats normal the camera goes live with audio when the emergency equipment is activated but the video portion will be 30 seconds prior to that. The thought is that you may be able to observe the infraction which is why the officer hit the lights, thus an additional portion of video. The officers justification for the stop was speed. He never tells Roberts how he knew that he was speeding. I generally indicate to the driver by way of radar, lidar or pace. The timing of the emergency equipment is hard to explain. Did the officer have to catch up and at that point Roberts was going into a residential area which is general 25 mph and he was no longer speeding? Was the officer looking for a safe spot to conduct the stop? Maybe getting off a busy 45 mph road preferring a residential street. The officer may have been trying to confirm that the vehicle was not stolen and was having a check run before he activated his equipment, only the officer knows.

People keep mentioning the officer was trying to take control. Your right, he was as he is suppose to. A seizure is taking place during that traffic stop and the officer is in control of this stop not the driver. Roberts is not free to leave and if he does not comply with LAWFUL commands during this encounter the officer has the absolute right to place him in custody until the conclusion of the encounter. All of this is defined under the 4th amendment (search and seizure) and there is countless case law to support it.

The wife....she is on her own property. She does not have to go inside nor does she have to close the garage door as requested. But that doesn't give a green light to do as she pleases either. If she were to come up to the car and the officer asked her to step away from the vehicle until he concluded his business with Roberts and she refused she could be charged with an obstruction of justice. If the officer has to repeatedly stop conducting the investigation to deal with someone who is not involved you are looking at obstruction. Obstruction in this sense is officer safety, if some is distracting the officer he cannot monitor the person he has detained.

In the grand scheme of police to citizen contacts this isnt really much worth discussing. You could link other police videos and we all would be like holy $%#! and discuss for weeks. Again based on my own personal observations and experiences this officer doesn't seem bad. I just think he needs some constructive criticism from his supervisors and more experience. I have conducted probably over 15000 traffic stops during my 23 years and I know with 100% certainty that the way I conduct them today is different then when I had just a couple years on. Early on my stops probably looked a lot like this officers.

RobertWeathers · Jul 13, 2019

Ivan said:
Then why didn’t he ticket him?

Initially the officer issued ER ticket for speeding and failure to produce proof of insurance. Why he changed both violations to warnings is unknown.

My belief is the officer lowered them to warnings in the hope of reducing the stress of the situation on ER.

upstater1 · Jul 13, 2019

JarOfMayo51 said:
He's not a jerk because he pulled him over for speeding, he's a jerk because he called backup for the "big black man" who would not comply with orders, when in fact he immediately complied with the cops orders.

Really glad that there is a bigger and bigger surge to make body cams a requirement on police officers. Keeps the entire system more honest.

It seems both ends of this story are screwy. He was speeding but didn't get it ticket, because--as his lawyer said--"Do you know who this is?"

And the policeman's report seems falsified to me. "Did not comply?"

Say what? He did comply. Why do they have to lie like that?

Whenever I see resisting arrest, I think of my old 90 pound 4'11" late 50s boss who was hauled away with zip ties, lifted off the ground by two officers by her upper arms, and then charged for resisting when she screamed in pain, all for "refusing" an order in front of our office building.

IllegalContact · Jul 13, 2019

robertweathers said:
Initially the officer issued ER ticket for speeding and failure to produce proof of insurance. Why he changed both violations to warnings is unknown.

My belief is the officer lowered them to warnings in the hope of reducing the stress of the situation on ER.

My belief is that the other cops came along, pointed out what a jackass he was being and recommended him to just walk away with the hope the incident just dissipates likes fart in the wind.......more logical than your scenarios where someone gets pulled over for speeding, and proceeds to not cooperate his way to getting off

RobertWeathers · Jul 13, 2019

IllegalContact said:
My belief is that the other cops came along, pointed out what a jackass he was being and recommended him to just walk away with the hope the incident just dissipates likes fart in the wind.......more logical than your scenarios where someone gets pulled over for speeding, and proceeds to not cooperate his way to getting off

Huh?I don't recall stating such scenarios.

ER was issued citations on the scene. You can hear the officer telling him about court appearances in the full dashcam recording.

1960Pats · Jul 13, 2019

Patsfan1645 said:
I agree promoting discussion is good and that's why I continue to comment on this thread. Normally I don't get involved in discussion regarding police because I generally find peoples emotions dictate the conversation. But so far this has been a civil discussion.

Lets talk about the in car camera for a second. If you notice in the video the first 30 seconds there is no sound. Thats normal the camera goes live with audio when the emergency equipment is activated but the video portion will be 30 seconds prior to that. The thought is that you may be able to observe the infraction which is why the officer hit the lights, thus an additional portion of video. The officers justification for the stop was speed. He never tells Roberts how he knew that he was speeding. I generally indicate to the driver by way of radar, lidar or pace. The timing of the emergency equipment is hard to explain. Did the officer have to catch up and at that point Roberts was going into a residential area which is general 25 mph and he was no longer speeding? Was the officer looking for a safe spot to conduct the stop? Maybe getting off a busy 45 mph road preferring a residential street. The officer may have been trying to confirm that the vehicle was not stolen and was having a check run before he activated his equipment, only the officer knows.

People keep mentioning the officer was trying to take control. Your right, he was as he is suppose to. A seizure is taking place during that traffic stop and the officer is in control of this stop not the driver. Roberts is not free to leave and if he does not comply with LAWFUL commands during this encounter the officer has the absolute right to place him in custody until the conclusion of the encounter. All of this is defined under the 4th amendment (search and seizure) and there is countless case law to support it.

The wife....she is on her own property. She does not have to go inside nor does she have to close the garage door as requested. But that doesn't give a green light to do as she pleases either. If she were to come up to the car and the officer asked her to step away from the vehicle until he concluded his business with Roberts and she refused she could be charged with an obstruction of justice. If the officer has to repeatedly stop conducting the investigation to deal with someone who is not involved you are looking at obstruction. Obstruction in this sense is officer safety, if some is distracting the officer he cannot monitor the person he has detained.

In the grand scheme of police to citizen contacts this isnt really much worth discussing. You could link other police videos and we all would be like holy $%#! and discuss for weeks. Again based on my own personal observations and experiences this officer doesn't seem bad. I just think he needs some constructive criticism from his supervisors and more experience. I have conducted probably over 15000 traffic stops during my 23 years and I know with 100% certainty that the way I conduct them today is different then when I had just a couple years on. Early on my stops probably looked a lot like this officers.

I was taught at a young age to respect the police. It seems like far too many people these days are being taught to mistrust the police. That isn't a good thing.

As for body cams and dash cams, I think it has helped the police. Many of the minor incidents like this one can be seen for exactly what they are, not what a biased media wants to portray them as instead.

RobertWeathers · Jul 13, 2019

1960Pats said:
I was taught at a young age to respect the police. It seems like far too many people these days are being taught to mistrust the police. That isn't a good thing.

As for body cams and dash cams, I think it has helped the police. Many of the minor incidents like this one can be seen for exactly what they are, not what a biased media wants to portray them as instead.

It's distrust AND disrespect.

maust · Jul 13, 2019

robertweathers said:
ER was issued citations on the scene. You can hear the officer telling him about court appearances in the full dashcam recording.

A captain with the sheriff's office said the "ticket later was changed to a warning at the deputy's request." Just a guess but I'm thinking that request may have come after he received some 'feedback'

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