Patriots linebacker Elandon Roberts says he was harassed at home by police

KontradictioN said:

No. I’m employing common sense. Racist cops don’t let black guys off Scot free when they have more than enough to issue two citations. They damn sure don’t let them off when they find out that the black guy is wealthy and/or plays for the NFL. This cop did. There is nothing here right now logically linking this to racism. That’s the reason why one simple question has turned you inside out. You’re now resorting to conspiracy theory and assumption, something that you called someone else out for earlier, to try to make your assumption hold water. It doesn’t.

This reads like desperation. I’m going to give you a piece of advice - wait for the rest of the situation to play out. You’re supposed to be educated, right? If you’re as educated as you say you are, this stop being borne out of racism shouldn’t make sense to you. It shouldn’t add up. Take some time away from the situation and the thread. You may get more evidence on your side. Right now, youre getting your ass kicked here. Badly. It’s the reason why you haven’t been able to address my question without dropping either a conspiracy theory or assumptions and it’s the reason you’re now trying to turn this argument on me, personally.

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Nunchucks said:

I've been pulled over and never once been asked for proof of insurance. It is attached to my registration, I cannot register my car without insurance. If a cop asked me for it, I'd look at the cop with a blank stare and say my registration is active as it states on your computer.

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ChesBay said:

Nunchucks,

1) First and foremost, thanks for responding and it’s apparent you truly believe in your convictions, but...
2) Haven’t we already agreed that the windows were tinted? So where does the “driving while black” come into the picture?
3) There are assumptions, and then there are evidenced-based assumptions...we probably need to stick with the later in order to have a meaningful discussion
4) I don’t think anyone’s trying to persecute ER (not the Police Dept nor the posters on this forum), but we are pointing out that ER took actions which were not supportive of his cause. Can you at least see that?
5) In addition, I don’t see anyone stating that racism doesn’t exist...it’s just that this situation might not be the best example of it.

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Nunchucks said:

Read this post and then think about what you've posted. Why wouldn't he give him a ticket for going about 30 MPH over the speed limit in a residential neighborhood? That makes zero sense and if he didn't have proof of insurance, if it was indeed required, why not give him a ticket for that too? I don't understand these things. Perhaps you can cook up a conspiracy for why he let him off despite two supposedly very egregious infractions.

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KontradictioN said:

There is no conspiracy. Incompetence. He wasn’t doing his job. Racist cops don’t let citations go for black men. This cop did. That doesn’t point to racism. That points to incompetence.

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Nunchucks said:

Read this post and then think about what you've posted. Why wouldn't he give him a ticket for going about 30 MPH over the speed limit in a residential neighborhood? That makes zero sense and if he didn't have proof of insurance, if it was indeed required, why not give him a ticket for that too? I don't understand these things. Perhaps you can cook up a conspiracy for why he let him off despite two supposedly very egregious infractions.

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shmessy said:

No prob! (Backing away slowly.......)


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Nunchucks said:

Sounds like you are making up a story to explain away why he didn't get a ticket. Perhaps you should wait until all the facts come out before jumping to conclusions.

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Nunchucks said:

First, I don't know how well the cop could see into the car or not. We don't know how tinted the windows are etc. However, I agree that ER should have stayed in his car, but there was nothing about getting out of his car that looked threatening, in fact he moved very slowly and put his hands up.

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robertweathers said:

Simple scenario.

Police were scared to death ER was going to play the race card publicly and they did their very best to mitigate that potential. They felt dropping the whole thing was the best path to take.

What they should have done was give him the damn ticket, defend their processes and procedures and grow a pair.

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Nunchucks said:

I've been pulled over and never once been asked for proof of insurance. It is attached to my registration, I cannot register my car without insurance. If a cop asked me for it, I'd look at the cop with a blank stare and say my registration is active as it states on your computer.

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Nunchucks said:

Addressing the proof of insurance issue. Here in MA, you cannot register you car without insurance. If an officer asked me if I had proof of insurance, I would have to say no, I do not have any additional documentation in my car proving I have insurance. I don't know the laws where ER is, but I assume it is either similar or there is no required insurance, therefore, why would he have to carry it? Proof of insurance is a red herring in my opinion.

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Nunchucks said:

Now you are just flailing about.

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Crazy Patriot Guy said:

In Texas, vehicle registration and inspections are now together instead of two different window stickers. You get your inspection, which requires proof of insurance, then bring the form to get your new registration sticker. There's nothing stopping a person from cancelling their insurance the next day and driving illegally for a year until they have to do another inspection for registration.

As a mostly lifelong Texan, I'd say it's been about 50-50 in the times I was stopped that they asked for proof of insurance. So, not always, but not rare.

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Hyped said:

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1.) Getting out of your car is a big no-no....no matter who you are.

2.) That being said, the cop was a bit overzealous, IMO. He was yelling loud enough for ER's wife to come out of the house.

3.) I'd like to think that we have come a long way since Dee Brown...but doesn't appear to be the case here.

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Nunchucks said:

First, I don't know how well the cop could see into the car or not. We don't know how tinted the windows are etc. However, I agree that ER should have stayed in his car, but there was nothing about getting out of his car that looked threatening, in fact he moved very slowly and put his hands up.

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BadMoFo said:

Didn't take long for some Pats fans to start viewing Elandon Roberts as a troublemaker.

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AndyJohnson said:

If by that you mean no one has even said that, I agree.

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