Patriots linebacker Elandon Roberts says he was harassed at home by police

Nunchucks said:

I watched the video, it was clear that ER was compliant. he may not have moved as fast as he could,, but he was clearly scared for his life. He put his hands up and was non-threatening.

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His first move after being told to get back in the car was to move away from the car.
That is not complying.
He complied immediately after that.

If my job is pulling people over who may want to shoot me I see not complying and don’t let my guard down when they comply after hesitating to.
Doesn’t mean he did something wrong, it means he gave the officer reason to elevate his alertedness.
In real life when you feel that potential threat elevation it doesn’t go away because the second move was to comply.

It’s not like he shot him. He told him to get back in the car and told his dispatcher (not Roberts) that the suspect had not complied. The officer is alerting his dispatcher of the situation he is in. Would you prefer he tells the dispatcher “at first he didn’t comply then he did so I’m going to ignore the danger”.

Nunchucks said:

I don't think it would make him a racist in the way you are stating. This stuff is systemic and they just do stuff like profiling. He let him off because he realized that ER has money and it would make the cop look really bad when a lawyer took a long look at the case and cross-examined him in front of a judge.

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For a speeding ticket? Come on.

AndyJohnson said:

His first move after being told to get back in the car was to move away from the car.
That is not complying.
He complied immediately after that.

If my job is pulling people over who may want to shoot me I see not complying and don’t let my guard down when they comply after hesitating to.
Doesn’t mean he did something wrong, it means he gave the officer reason to elevate his alertedness.
In real life when you feel that potential threat elevation it doesn’t go away because the second move was to comply.

It’s not like he shot him. He told him to get back in the car and told his dispatcher (not Roberts) that the suspect had not complied. The officer is alerting his dispatcher of the situation he is in. Would you prefer he tells the dispatcher “at first he didn’t comply then he did so I’m going to ignore the danger”.

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I really don't even know what you are talking about that is related to anything I posted.

Nunchucks said:

Addressing the proof of insurance issue. Here in MA, you cannot register you car without insurance. If an officer asked me if I had proof of insurance, I would have to say no, I do not have any additional documentation in my car proving I have insurance. I don't know the laws where ER is, but I assume it is either similar or there is no required insurance, therefore, why would he have to carry it? Proof of insurance is a red herring in my opinion.

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The fine can range from $175 to $300 where he was for first time “offenders.” L.

AndyJohnson said:

For a speeding ticket? Come on.

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For being pulled over for driving while black.

KontradictioN said:

The fine can range from $175 to $300 where he was for first time “offenders.” L.

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So, you have proof of insurance in your car? I don't. Just my registration.

Nunchucks said:

I don't think it would make him a racist in the way you are stating. This stuff is systemic and they just do stuff like profiling. He let him off because he realized that ER has money and it would make the cop look really bad when a lawyer took a long look at the case and cross-examined him in front of a judge.

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Now you’re wandering into the realm of conspiracy theory. Does the fact that your logic here can’t hold water without dropping theory into it not scream to you to re-think your position? Or are you just that badly married to leftist ideology that you’d rather stick your feet into the dirt and die on this hill? You have common sense. Employ it. The accusation does not logically add up.

Furthermore, you earlier accused the cop of pulling him over because “he’s a black man driving a nice car.” Your words. That’s not unconscious. That’s a conscious decision. The cops that make those decisions are not in the business of letting guys off with nothing.

Nunchucks said:

So, you have proof of insurance in your car? I don't. Just my registration.

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Yes. You have to have it. If not, you get cited. I have it in my car and on the app.

KontradictioN said:

Now you’re wandering into the realm of conspiracy theory. Does the fact that your logic here can’t hold water without dropping theory into it not scream to you to re-think your position? Or are you just that badly married to leftist ideology that you’d rather stick your feet into the dirt and die on this hill? You have common sense. Employ it. The accusation does not logically add up.

Furthermore, you earlier accused the cop of pulling him over because “he’s a black man driving a nice car.” Your words. That’s not unconscious. That’s a conscious decision. The cops that make those decisions are not in the business of letting guys off with nothing.

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Now you are making assumptions about cops who profile. Are you so badly married to the idea that cops who profile must always act consistently bad that you must follow through with the scenario that ER was totally in the wrong and the cop was in the right?

Like I said, this scenario plays out all across the country all the time. Driving while black is real. Even a GOP senator said he was pulled over for driving while black in D.C.

KontradictioN said:

Yes. You have to have it. If not, you get cited. I have it in my car and on the app.

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I've been pulled over and never once been asked for proof of insurance. It is attached to my registration, I cannot register my car without insurance. If a cop asked me for it, I'd look at the cop with a blank stare and say my registration is active as it states on your computer.

Kdo5 said:

Have you ever been stopped in the street, accused of nefarious behavior, had four cop cars called when they had no basis for any accusation?

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No. Does this invalidate my views? Not sure what that has to do with this.

When my buddy was pulled over it wasn’t just asking where he was going. It was borderline interrogation asking what his purpose is for driving in Watertown, demanding names of who he is visiting and why and asking to search his car for no reason other than not using his blinker.

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You have no idea what caused the cop to act that way.
This is the problem and it should be offensive to minorities. We have reached the point where anything that happens to a person who is a minority’s now becomes proof of racism.
I am sure there have been white people pulled over who make the stupid move of getting out of their car and get the exact same treatment Roberts got.
It happened because he acted incorrectly not because of his race. Already in this thread people have concluded that he probably wasn’t even speeding and got pulled over because he is black.
So we now start from the assumption that everything is racist and work backward.

I’m white, been pulled over plenty of times for traffic violations and never been treated in such a way. Obviously cops aren’t going to be friendly but treating someone like a criminal on no basis happens to minorities all of the time. Not so much your average white person.

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How do you know that?
If it happens to a minority you hear cries of racism.
If it happens to a white person there is nothing to cry.

Not saying you are wrong just saying your argument is “come in everyone knows” which is weak.

Nunchucks said:

Now you are making assumptions about cops who profile. Are you so badly married to the idea that cops who profile must always act consistently bad that you must follow through with the scenario that ER was totally in the wrong and the cop was in the right?

Like I said, this scenario plays out all across the country all the time. Driving while black is real. Even a GOP senator said he was pulled over for driving while black in D.C.

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So all of the white people who get pulled over aren’t pulled over for driving while white?

AndyJohnson said:

So all of the white people who get pulled over aren’t pulled over for driving while white?

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I don't even know what you are talking about. X does not invalidate Y. If you are even trying to make such a weak argument.

Nunchucks said:

I really don't even know what you are talking about that is related to anything I posted.

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You said he was compliant. That’s not accurate.

Nunchucks said:

For being pulled over for driving while black.

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Huh?
You said he didn’t give a ticket because he was embarrassed to be cross examined by an attorney about why he gave a speeding ticket.
That’s ludicrous.
You literally can’t claim the stop was for driving while black when speeding was the reason.
This amounts to you arguing being black means you should never be able to pulled over.

AndyJohnson said:

So all of the white people who get pulled over aren’t pulled over for driving while white?

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You claim that someone who is black is pulled over solely because they are black. Why are who’re people pulled over?
Let me guess. They all broke the law but the black people didn’t.

Nunchucks said:

I've been pulled over and never once been asked for proof of insurance. It is attached to my registration, I cannot register my car without insurance. If a cop asked me for it, I'd look at the cop with a blank stare and say my registration is active as it states on your computer.

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Ok. Yeah you need insurance to register your vehicle but then you could cancel it. In certain states you can get a ticket for not carrying the ID card. In NY there is a barcode on the ID that tells whether you have active insurance. No ID card, ticket.

AndyJohnson said:

You claim that someone who is black is pulled over solely because they are black. Why are who’re people pulled over?
Let me guess. They all broke the law but the black people didn’t.

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Now you are just flailing about.

Nunchucks said:

Now you are making assumptions about cops who profile. Are you so badly married to the idea that cops who profile must always act consistently bad that you must follow through with the scenario that ER was totally in the wrong and the cop was in the right?[

Like I said, this scenario plays out all across the country all the time. Driving while black is real. Even a GOP senator said he was pulled over for driving while black in D.C.

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No. I’m employing common sense. Racist cops don’t let black guys off Scot free when they have more than enough to issue two citations. They damn sure don’t let them off when they find out that the black guy is wealthy and/or plays for the NFL. This cop did. There is nothing here right now logically linking this to racism. That’s the reason why one simple question has turned you inside out. You’re now resorting to conspiracy theory and assumption, something that you called someone else out for earlier, to try to make your assumption hold water. It doesn’t.

This reads like desperation. I’m going to give you a piece of advice - wait for the rest of the situation to play out. You’re supposed to be educated, right? If you’re as educated as you say you are, this stop being borne out of racism shouldn’t make sense to you. It shouldn’t add up. Take some time away from the situation and the thread. You may get more evidence on your side. Right now, youre getting your ass kicked here. Badly. It’s the reason why you haven’t been able to address my question without dropping either a conspiracy theory or assumptions and it’s the reason you’re now trying to turn this argument on me, personally.

Nunchucks said:

Now you are making assumptions about cops who profile. Are you so badly married to the idea that cops who profile must always act consistently bad that you must follow through with the scenario that ER was totally in the wrong and the cop was in the right?

Like I said, this scenario plays out all across the country all the time. Driving while black is real. Even a GOP senator said he was pulled over for driving while black in D.C.

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Nunchucks,

1) First and foremost, thanks for responding and it’s apparent you truly believe in your convictions, but...
2) Haven’t we already agreed that the windows were tinted? So where does the “driving while black” come into the picture?
3) There are assumptions, and then there are evidenced-based assumptions...we probably need to stick with the later in order to have a meaningful discussion
4) I don’t think anyone’s trying to persecute ER (not the Police Dept nor the posters on this forum), but we are pointing out that ER took actions which were not supportive of his cause. Can you at least see that?
5) In addition, I don’t see anyone stating that racism doesn’t exist...it’s just that this situation might not be the best example of it.