Reports/Speculation: Texans will pursue Caserio AGAIN after 2020 Draft/UPDATE - Rumor: He wants out

rochrist said:

That's not how it worked with the Jets. They got the Pats first rounder:

"They acquired two first-rounders in the Keyshawn Johnson trade and another one from the New England Patriotsas compensation for Bill Belichick."​

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rochrist said:

I'm pretty sure holding him up to ridicule HERE is not exactly promoting him.

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XLIX said:

That's because Belichick was under contract with the Jets. The Patriots weren't punished for tampering and there was no tampering investigation (even though they probably did tamper). They had to offer the Jets compensation to release him from his contract.

Same thing happened with Parcells in the other direction a few years earlier. Jets were never punished for tampering with Parcells (even though they definitely did tamper), but they gave up a 1st rounder (and more) as compensation for Parcells being let out of his contract with New England.

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fnordcircle said:

There was an article, I'm not sure who it was by, at the end of 1996 where the columnist detailed a car ride that Kraft and Belichick took. I wish I could find the article because I remember it pretty clearly and it was basically implied that the discussion in the car ride was between Kraft and Belichick where Kraft was basically setting the board so that some later time down the road he might hire BB as his HC.

The article didn't strike me as being about an imaginary scenario, but I think the larger point still stands that Kraft and BB had established a bond before he left the Patriots to hold the fort for a few weeks for Parcells.

If my memory is accurate it was a brilliant move by Kraft because it set the table for BB to return and might have allowed the Patriots to have a good gauge on Belichick's willingness without necessarily tampering.

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rochrist said:

Yep, I remember that. It was just as Bill was on his way out of town with Tuna. (But it WAS when he was headed off to be DC of the Jets. It wasn't right before he was named HC. A couple of years in between the two events.) But Kraft liked him and was impressed with him and wanted to make sure that the lines remained open with Little Bill.

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fnordcircle said:

Because my perception is that teams are sensitive about their public image. That they wouldn't get themselves in a situation that looks like this without some advance notice of Caserio's interest.

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rochrist said:

That's not how it worked with the Jets. They got the Pats first rounder:

"They acquired two first-rounders in the Keyshawn Johnson trade and another one from the New England Patriotsas compensation for Bill Belichick."​

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patfanken said:

This is SOOOOO good. After hearing the news that Casserio has been retained, this is the 2nd best thing that has happened to me today. #3 was going to the gym, working out, and getting home still breathing...

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mgteich said:

The issue is where Casserio wants to be.

If he wants to stay with the patriots, he would reject any HOU offer and help the patriots get a draft pick. His testimony would likely help the patriots get a pick.

If Cessario want to go to HOU, then a deal will likely be worked out, with the patriots getting a pick.

BOTTOM LINE
It seems likely that the patriots will get a pick. The more important issue is whether Casserio wants to stay in NE.

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fnordcircle said:

There was an article, I'm not sure who it was by, at the end of 1996 where the columnist detailed a car ride that Kraft and Belichick took. I wish I could find the article because I remember it pretty clearly and it was basically implied that the discussion in the car ride was between Kraft and Belichick where Kraft was basically setting the board so that some later time down the road he might hire BB as his HC.

The article didn't strike me as being about an imaginary scenario, but I think the larger point still stands that Kraft and BB had established a bond before he left the Patriots to hold the fort for a few weeks for Parcells.

If my memory is accurate it was a brilliant move by Kraft because it set the table for BB to return and might have allowed the Patriots to have a good gauge on Belichick's willingness without necessarily tampering.

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rochrist said:

Yep, I remember that. It was just as Bill was on his way out of town with Tuna. (But it WAS when he was headed off to be DC of the Jets. It wasn't right before he was named HC. A couple of years in between the two events.) But Kraft liked him and was impressed with him and wanted to make sure that the lines remained open with Little Bill.

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captain stone said:

If memory serves - and many times it doesn't - the conversation between Bill & Krafty took place on the team flight from NO after the SB loss to GB...Parcells wasn't on that flight - naturally - so Bill & Krafty shared a row in first class on what must've seemed to all of them a long, somber trip home...but it did give the two of them a chance to have a thorough discussion on all matters football, both on and off the field. Kraft even went so far as to claim that he actually considered hiring Bill as his next HC of the NEP but thought that a clean break from all things Tuna was the way to go at that time.

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Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Report: Nick Caserio has a contractual provision that keeps him from leaving New England

“We have now been made aware of certain terms in Nick’s contract with the Patriots,” Texans owner Cal McNair said in the statement regarding the decision to not pursue Caserio. “Once we were made aware of these contract terms, I informed Mr. Kraft that we would stop pursuing Nick.”

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The Texans acknowledge that they tried to pursue Caserio and did not have the Patriots permission to do so. In other words, they've violated the tampering rules to the absolute letter and absolute spirit of the law. Tampering does not mean a team needs to be immediately successful or even successful at all. It is a violation in itself regardless of how it ends up. Caserio could leave when his contract expires due to this, demand a raise, or really react to this in many ways that are ultimately damaging to the Patriots. That's why there's no contingency in tampering violations that the person would need to actually be pried away.

But there will be no punishment because Kraft is a giant ****sy. The 31 urinate on this guy's legacy, literally frame the greatest player ever in a fake scandal, drag the franchise through the mud twice for violations that are, at their absolute worst, technicalities, and he shakes hands and moves on instead of trying to show an ounce of backbone...or dare I say it, try to recover a fraction of the draft capital that was stolen from him in 2007 and 2015.

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holyredeemer said:

Only draft capital we could gain would be in trading his services. Which, if he wants out as bad as some of those reports state, trade him out. If he wants to stay, let’s move on and keep this thing rolling. Between coaches leaving and F.O. changes, Bill has his work cut out for him.

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XLIX said:

That's because Belichick was under contract with the Jets. The Patriots weren't punished for tampering and there was no tampering investigation (even though they probably did tamper). They had to offer the Jets compensation to release him from his contract.

Same thing happened with Parcells in the other direction a few years earlier. Jets were never punished for tampering with Parcells (even though they definitely did tamper), but they gave up a 1st rounder (and more) as compensation for Parcells being let out of his contract with New England.

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fnordcircle said:

I'm like, willing to go argue before congress that it was a car drive the two took together.

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captain stone said:

If memory serves - and many times it doesn't - the conversation between Bill & Krafty took place on the team flight from NO after the SB loss to GB...Parcells wasn't on that flight - naturally - so Bill & Krafty shared a row in first class on what must've seemed to all of them a long, somber trip home...but it did give the two of them a chance to have a thorough discussion on all matters football, both on and off the field. Kraft even went so far as to claim that he actually considered hiring Bill as his next HC of the NEP but thought that a clean break from all things Tuna was the way to go at that time.

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LJRomanoff said:

That was a deal between the Jets and Patriots, it wasn't mandated by the league. Also, we were discussing a scenario where Caserio stays with the Patriots AND they get draft picks as a result of the Texans' tampering.

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