NFL considering de facto or de jure Hail Mary replay exemption

QuantumMechanic · Jun 1, 2019

Here we go...

Competition Committee wants Hail Mary to be “survival of the fittest”

A Hail Mary exemption from replay review could make for strange late-game scenarios

Ring 6 · Jun 1, 2019

QuantumMechanic said:
Here we go...

Competition Committee wants Hail Mary to be “survival of the fittest”

A Hail Mary exemption from replay review could make for strange late-game scenarios

It makes a lot of sense.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Jun 1, 2019

I don't think it is wise to have different rules on how a pass play is to be officiated or reviewed based on down, distance, and time left on the clock.

I don't think it is wise to give officials leeway to ignore well-defined rules of the game based on down, distance, and time left on the clock. More referee judgement calls/rule exceptions? Just no.

That being said, Hail Marys are typically going to involve a LOT of contact, since a large number of players are legally trying to make a play on the ball. They can't, however, grab or level someone to gain an advantage to give themselves a better position to make a play on the ball.

PI replay review opens a huge can of worms, but the Hail Mary should be subject to PI rules, while recognizing that everyone has a right to make a play on the ball.

Joey007 · Jun 1, 2019

If they allow PI reviews on Hail Mary’s, it would allow people to abuse the rule completely. Anything in that situation can be considered PI.

Ring 6 · Jun 1, 2019

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
I don't think it is wise to have different rules on how a pass play is to be officiated or reviewed based on down, distance, and time left on the clock.

I don't think it is wise to give officials leeway to ignore well-defined rules of the game based on down, distance, and time left on the clock. More referee judgement calls/rule exceptions? Just no.

That being said, Hail Marys are typically going to involve a LOT of contact, since a large number of players are legally trying to make a play on the ball. They can't, however, grab or level someone to gain an advantage to give themselves a better position to make a play on the ball.

PI replay review opens a huge can of worms, but the Hail Mary should be subject to PI rules, while recognizing that everyone has a right to make a play on the ball.

That’s the tough part. Every player has a right to the ball and they are all standing in the same area waiting for it to come down. How do you judge pi fairly when the ball is basically falling out of the sky into a general area. I agree it should be subject to pi but if it’s reviewable there should be a different, much more lax, standard.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Jun 1, 2019

I have no problem with this right here NOT being pass interference, since everyone in the picture was making a play on the ball, and had equal right to do so:

What was unacceptable, though,was Hogan not being in the play because he was blatantly "taken out" by being blasted to the turf, 35 yards upfield. OBVIOUS PI.

farn · Jun 1, 2019

Don’t change the Hail M rules. The team trying those had 59+ minutes to win the game. The NFL was/is sitting on a gold mine, yet can’t get out of its own way...

XLIX · Jun 1, 2019

Even on a regular pass play, you are allowed incidental contact with the receiver if you are playing the ball, and the referee takes into consideration if the defender is facing the WR or facing the ball itself.

On Hail Mary’s, you generally have *everyone* facing the ball, so I have no problem with all the resulting incidental contact. However, you should not be allowed to wrap up the receivers arms or hold them down or something like that.

Ring 6 · Jun 1, 2019

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
I have no problem with this right here NOT being pass interference, since everyone in the picture was making a play on the ball, and had equal right to do so:

What was unacceptable, though,was Hogan not being in the play because he was blatantly "taken out" by being blasted to the turf, 35 yards upfield. OBVIOUS PI.

Actually not PI but illegal contact. Ball wasn’t in the air.

TheRainMaker · Jun 1, 2019

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
I have no problem with this right here NOT being pass interference, since everyone in the picture was making a play on the ball, and had equal right to do so:

What was unacceptable, though,was Hogan not being in the play because he was blatantly "taken out" by being blasted to the turf, 35 yards upfield. OBVIOUS PI.

That first picture of Gronk being draped over is hilarious.

sb1 · Jun 1, 2019

Brady hits that Hail Mary in LII and he is the owner of the single game passing yardage record....

luuked · Jun 1, 2019

QuantumMechanic said:
Here we go...

Competition Committee wants Hail Mary to be “survival of the fittest”

A Hail Mary exemption from replay review could make for strange late-game scenarios

They regulated themselves into an idiotic corner and now have to exempt an entire type of play from the rulebook. Absurd.

upstater1 · Jun 1, 2019

What is a Hail Mary?

WaterfallJumper · Jun 1, 2019

upstater1 said:
What is a Hail Mary?

This is an excellent question. Taken from a link in the article OP linked:

Competition Committee chairman Rich McKay seems to think it will be easy to define a “Hail Mary” play, based on factors like distance from paydirt, time left on the clock, and the number of receivers in the end zone. Whatever the specifics, smart coaches will engineer their way around those limits, ensuring that the last-ditch heave to the end zone will be subject to replay review — which in turn may cause defensive backs to be a little more careful when it comes to any interactions with the offensive players in position to catch the ball.

I bolded the text that seems relevant to the Patriots.

upstater1 · Jun 1, 2019

reamer said:
This is an excellent question. Taken from a link in the article OP linked:

I bolded the text that seems relevant to the Patriots.

They are making a mockery of the game though with this stuff. No more than 3 receivers in the end zone! OK, I will put 4 receivers at the 1 yard line ready to bat the ball into the end zone! Or, instead of going for a FG with under a minute before the onside kick, I will go for a Hail Mary now because it's still reviewable prior to :30 seconds being left on the clock!

Madness.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Jun 1, 2019

Oh cool. The offense can declare they are throwing a Hail Mary, just like they were going to declare their 4th and 15 onside kick substitute? Football is getting really awesome.

Clonamery · Jun 1, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Oh cool. The offense can declare they are throwing a Hail Mary, just like they were going to declare their 4th and 15 onside kick substitute? Football is getting really awesome.

Arena style.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Jun 1, 2019

Clonamery said:
Arena style.

Coming next: offense can substitute linemen for WRs, as long as they declare it. Four guards and tackles can be subbed out for four additional receivers. The long snapper snaps it twenty yards deep to the QB, who has nine targets to choose from.

Offense must declare: “Nine Man” and can only use it 3 times per game, unless they’re losing in the final two minutes or if the refs award them an additional one as compensation for a blown PI that on replay should have been enforced (coach can choose either another Nine Man or take the PI.)

Triumph · Jun 1, 2019

Hail Marys, Onside Kicks, Kick Off returns are some of the most memorable and exciting plays in the NFL. I was just watching when Auburn ran back the kickoff on Alabama to win the cup a few years ago.

Who comes up with these jackass ideas to change the NFL anyway? Cowboy GM Jimmy Jones and his bourbon infused brain?

SammyBlueCat · Jun 1, 2019

Bad idea

NFL considering de facto or de jure Hail Mary replay exemption

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