qb playoff passer ratings: Bart Starr #1 You'll never guess where Brady is (#14)

No knock on Brady.

But that's incredible Bart Starr did this in 1960 with crappy receivers and a run first league.

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everlong said:

Post season passing attempts.

NFL Pass Attempts Career Playoffs Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Tom Brady 1589
Bart Starr 213

Brady is throwing so many more times per game.

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Different eras and I have no idea what Starr would have done in a Paul Brown, Weeb Ewbank -type offense where he would throw it 400 times a year but that wasn't the system Lombardi ran. Even back when he was OC with the Giants Conerly only threw it a couple hundred times a year. Manage the game. Impose your will on the other team. Throw only when absolutely sure a turnover won't be a result and when it doubt, run the ball and protect the defense.

SBLIII said:

there are many explanations for it. One is bigger sample size, two is better defenses the deeper you get into the postseason usually, three is different eras but the sample size is by far the biggest factor.

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i tend to think the best explanation to it is that passer rating doesnt mean d1ck squat

rings > ratings

sb1 said:

Sample size.
Brady has 40 playoff games played. Nobody else is close.

Also Brady has played in more than one era of football- both before and after the Polian rule changes to favor the passing game.

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I’m sorry. You mean the Brady rule, right? No, that was the hitting the QB in the legs rule, wasn’t it...no! My bad. The tuck rule was the Brady rule I think. Shoot....I can’t keep up with them all.

captain stone said:

Brady's thrown too many INTs in the POs recently, including the SBs, thus his overall career PO passer rating isn't as high as the others. Most of those INTs were simply terrible decisions, too, and not really forced.

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The INT he threw in KC right to a D-lineman in the end zone, I was like !

He did this at weird times early in his career as well. For instance, in the 2003 Super Bowl, they lead 21-10. He had a chance to blow the game wide open, going up 28-10 or 24-10, only to throw a bone headed pick in the end zone.

As good as Brady has been, he still makes some throws you’re like “WTF are you doing?”

TheRainMaker said:

The INT he threw in KC right to a D-lineman in the end zone, I was like !

He did this at weird times early in his career as well. For instance, in the 2003 Super Bowl, they lead 21-10. He has a chance to blow the game wide open, going up 28-10 or 24-10, only to throw a bone headed pick in the end zone.

As good as Brady has been, he still makes some throws you’re like “WTF are you doing?”

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That was one of the few instances where Brady was fooled. He thought Ragland was going to take the cheese on the PA and shoot the B-gap which would have left Gronk open in the end zone. Ragland almost did but dropped into the underneath zone just before Brady turned. Rare mistake and one of the few instances where watching as much film as a guy like Brady does can come back to bite you in the ass on the field.

TheRainMaker said:

The INT he threw in KC right to a D-lineman in the end zone, I was like !

He did this at weird times early in his career as well. For instance, in the 2003 Super Bowl, they lead 21-10. He has a chance to blow the game wide open, going up 28-10 or 24-10, only to throw a bone headed pick in the end zone.

As good as Brady has been, he still makes some throws you’re like “WTF are you doing?”

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The falling on his butt pass in Miami in 04 was a doozy too. Probably cost them the game.

Matt Ryan had a passer rating about 50 points higher than Brady did in SB51.

I doubt people will remember that game for that though, but they’ll remember other things.

sb1 said:

The falling on his butt pass in Miami in 04 was a doozy too. Probably cost them the game.

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That’s a throw your remote at the Tv pass.

AndyJohnson said:

Passer rating is a formula developed for people who don’t understand football to have one, extremely flawed, and laughably inaccurate metric to compare QBs.

Passes defensed is a statistic you accumulate by having QBs find your man open.
Defending a few while getting torched is not better than covering your man so the qb can’t throw to him.

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Oh ok.

AndyJohnson said:

Yes. But the weighing is stupid.

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So what do you think of ESPN’s total QBR thing they’ve been trying to force down people’s throats? Better/worse?

Joey007 said:

So what do you think of ESPN’s total QBR thing they’ve been trying to force down people’s throats? Better/worse?

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Probably better but they don’t define how they calculate it so hard to say.

in the 40 playoff games that Brady has started the Pats have averaged over 27 points per game. If you do 2011 forward the average moves up to slightly over 30 in that 21 game stretch. When you take into account the weather they have played in and the quality of competition that is beyond remarkable. The biggest problem with passer rating is that is ignores game circumstance. Philip Rivers leading the Chargers on those 2 HUGE TD drives late in their first round blow out loss carried as much weight as Brady doing it late against the Chiefs. There has never been a player in history that has even half of Brady's memorable drives (he seemingly had one or two in just about every Super Bowl win plus a multitude of must have drives in the AFC playoffs.)

Tony2046 said:

Here's an interesting article explaining the flaws of QB ratings.
Passer Rating's Shortcomings

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I was just about to say probably because Brady throws the ball away. This just confirms it. And we all know how Rodgers likes to hold onto the ball resulting in more sacks.

I think there are a lot of reasons. How many of the top QBs were before the Salary Cap? How many were One Hit Wonders? Just the same, TB12 benefited from great defenses when his skills and weapons were not top notch. It's football. Football's a team sport. I have never gotten excited about the GOAT debate. I root for the laundry.

Wheelman said:

I was just about to say probably because Brady throws the ball away. This just confirms it. And we all know how Rodgers likes to hold onto the ball resulting in more

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The Patriots/ Brady will take whatever the defense is giving them. If that means a rushing TD or dinking and dunking all the way down the field so be it.

Anyway it's just another football rating or stat which unlike baseball is tough to decipher how much credit or fault the player deserves when the other ten players are partially responsible.

I mean how could something so clear and obvious be flawed?

NFL Quarterback Rating Formula

The NFL rates its passers for statistical purposes against a fixed performance standard based on statistical achievements of all qualified pro passers since 1960. The current system replaced one that rated passers in relation to their position in a total group based on various criteria.

The current system, which was adopted in 1973, removes inequities that existed in the former method and, at the same time, provides a means of comparing passing performances from one season to the next.

It is important to remember that the system is used to rate pass-ers, not quarterbacks. Statistics do not reflect leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors that go into making a successful professional quarterback.

Four categories are used as a basis for compiling a rating:

• Percentage of completions per attempt
• Average yards gained per attempt
• Percentage of touchdown passes per attempt
• Percentage of interceptions per attempt

The average standard, is 1.000. The bottom is .000. To earn a 2.000 rating, a passer must perform at exceptional levels, i.e., 70 percent in completions, 10 percent in touchdowns, 1.5 percent in interceptions, and 11 yards average gain per pass attempt. The maximum a passer can receive in any category is 2.375.

For example, to gain a 2.375 in completion percentage, a passer would have to complete 77.5 percent of his passes. The NFL record is 70.55 by Ken Anderson (Cincinnati, 1982).

To earn a 2.375 in percentage of touchdowns, a passer would have to achieve a percentage of 11.9. The record is 13.9 by Sid Luckman (Chicago, 1943).

To gain 2.375 in percentage of interceptions, a passer would have to go the entire season without an interception. The 2.375 figure in average yards is 12.50, compared with the NFL record of 11.17 by Tommy O'Connell (Cleveland, 1957).

In order to make the rating more understandable, the point rating is then converted into a scale of 100. In rare cases, where statistical performance has been superior, it is possible for a passer to surpass a 100 rating.

For example, take Steve Young's record-setting season in 1994 when he completed 324 of 461 passes for 3,969 yards, 35 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions.

The four calculations would be:

• Percentage of Completions — 324 of 461 is 70.28 percent. Subtract 30 from the completion percentage (40.28) and multiply the result by 0.05. The result is a point rating of 2.014.
  Note: If the result is less than zero (Comp. Pct. less than 30.0), award zero points. If the results are greater than 2.375 (Comp. Pct. greater than 77.5), award 2.375.
• Average Yards Gained Per Attempt — 3,969 yards divided by 461 attempts is 8.61. Subtract three yards from yards-per-attempt (5.61) and multiply the result by 0.25. The result is 1.403.
  Note: If the result is less than zero (yards per attempt less than 3.0), award zero points. If the result is greater than 2.375 (yards per attempt greater than 12.5), award 2.375 points.
• Percentage of Touchdown Passes — 35 touchdowns in 461 attempts is 7.59 percent. Multiply the touchdown percentage by 0.2. The result is 1.518.
  Note: If the result is greater than 2.375 (touchdown percentage greater than 11.875), award 2.375.
• Percentage of Interceptions — 10 interceptions in 461 attempts is 2.17 percent. Multiply the interception percentage by 0.25 (0.542) and subtract the number from 2.375. The result is 1.833.
  Note: If the result is less than zero (interception percentage greater than 9.5), award zero points.

The sum of the four steps is (2.014 + 1.403 + 1.518 + 1.833) 6.768. The sum is then divided by six (1.128) and multiplied by 100. In this case, the result is 112.8. This same formula can be used to determine a passer rating for any player who attempts at least one pass.

AndyJohnson said:

It is important to remember that the system is used to rate pass-ers, not quarterbacks. Statistics do not reflect leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors that go into making a successful professional quarterback.

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Great post, but a lot of 'leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors' come from the sidelines. It's a team sport. QB rating is fungible.