2019 OTAs/Minicamp Thread

mgteich said:

WOW!

It is "absurd" to believe that the patriots expect Wynn to play LT?

WOW!

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It’s bizarre this is being argued on here. Mason and Thuney are the guards and Cannon is at RT. They don’t have anyone proven at LT. The Pats didn’t draft him to stand on the sidelines so they will give him every chance to play LT.

mgteich said:

WOW!

It is "absurd" to believe that the patriots expect Wynn to play LT?

WOW!

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It's absurd to assume one knows the outcome, when even the coaches don't know.

My opinion is he is a natural guard.

But if you have the ability to see into the future, I have some questions for future bets I'd like to make?

TheRainMaker said:

It’s bizarre this is being argued on here. Mason and Thuney are the guards and Cannon is at RT. They don’t have anyone proven at LT. The Pats didn’t draft him to stand on the sidelines so they will give him every chance to play LT.

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It will be an open competition, Cajuste will be involved assuming health, Croston also, Thuney played tackle in college also.

It's not that bizarre, in fact it wasn't an argument until some posters started making declarative statements.

Wozzy said:

It will be an open competition, Cajuste will be involved assuming health, Croston also, Thuney played tackle in college also.

It's not that bizarre, in fact it wasn't an argument until some posters started making declarative statements.

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The first, of course, being Wozzy.

Elijah said:

The first, of course, being Wozzy.

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My first statement on this topic was an observation, not a declarative statement.

"An interesting development in camp is Joe Thuney playing tackle, this could be the plan going forward. He has better length for the position and Wynn is a more natural guard." - Wozzy

Then the butthurt and O-Line expertise commenced...

Here's the funniest timeline:

This season they have Thuney play LT and Wynn LG. Everyone performs well and the OL is up to their usual standard. Thuney, being a UFA, gets the now traditional hugest contract on the open market by a desperate team and performs Okayish for the rest of his career. The Pats get a 3rd round comp pick. Wynn then moves to LT and does great for his career.

Wozzy said:

At least one poster did, and wasn't it you who said Wynn was drafted because he was the best tackle in his draft class, omitting the two guys taken ahead of him including the one taken at #9 overall

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How is this connected to my point ?

You keep referring to Wynn as someone they drafted for the interior which is was causes this laughable debate. My personal opinion that Wynn was the best tackle has nothing to do with why people have an issue with your entire angle (i.e. "he was drafted as a guard").

Wozzy said:

Everyone had Wynn pegged as a guard, not just me.

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That is not true and if you were looking beyond your "reputable draft resources" into what actual former linemen and not the armchair internet bros are saying you would have seen that.





and there are more..

Wozzy said:

Wynn is coming off an achilles injury, there may be better options at tackle, he might be better served getting eased in and taking over at guard next year when Thuney walks.

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Wynn is the starting LT of this team. If you think I am talking in hyperboles lets see what Scar told beat writer Evan Lazar:



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slam said:

Here's the funniest timeline:

This season they have Thuney play LT and Wynn LG. Everyone performs well and the OL is up to their usual standard. Thuney, being a UFA, gets the now traditional hugest contract on the open market by a desperate team and performs Okayish for the rest of his career. The Pats get a 3rd round comp pick. Wynn then moves to LT and does great for his career.

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I wonder, whether Thuney moves to LT or not, if he'll ever see a big contract from the Patriots?

I say no, they seem to have hitched their cart ($) to Mason at guard. Also they have Wynn sitting there, (regardless of position) with Frodo sitting behind him. I doubt they make two guards some of their highest paid offensive players. I think they knew this when Mason and eventually Thuney were approaching contract negotiations and they drafted Wynn.

More than talent is considered when assembling a roster, contract status matters as well.

Come week 1, this thread's going to be a hoot to revisit.

Simple:

When Wynn is healthy, he’ll be the LT.

luuked said:

How is this connected to my point ?

You keep referring to Wynn as someone they drafted for the interior which is was causes this laughable debate. My personal opinion that Wynn was the best tackle has nothing to do with why people have an issue with your entire angle (i.e. "he was drafted as a guard").



That is not true and if you were looking beyond your "reputable draft resources" into what actual former linemen and not the armchair internet bros are saying you would have seen that.





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Wynn is the starting LT of this team. If you think I am talking in hyperboles lets see what Scar told beat writer Evan Lazar:



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A lot of amazing testimonials about a player BB took post draft, I only care what these guys were saying prior to the best talent evaluator in the NFL choosing them. Pre-draft...

Scar has the utmost confidence in the kid to play anywhere, so do I. He also said and it has always been that camp will determine who plays and where.

I'm not making any promises or prognosticating, I'm saying the possibility for Wynn to be at guard and Thuney at tackle exists.

Wozzy said:

I'm not making any promises or prognosticating, I'm saying the possibility for Wynn to be at guard and Thuney at tackle exists.

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Thuney at tackle not so much. Wynn as a guard if BB/Scar/Caserio were wrong sure.

Which is why there will almost certainly be another veteran tackle signing before camp.

luuked said:

Thuney at tackle not so much. Wynn as a guard if BB/Scar/Caserio were wrong sure.

Which is why there will almost certainly be another veteran tackle signing before camp.

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There is one of those declarative statements again. If Wynn is a pro bowl caliber guard, that's a mistake I would accept every time. Nobody knows the Patriots true intentions. If it comes to pass, the only mistake will have been by posters assuming tackle was Wynn's only position.

The Patriots drafted a very good offensive lineman with positional flexibility, < I just described a large majority of offensive linemen (players even) acquired in the last two decades. Matt Light, who I'd compare Thuney favorably to, was acquired because he was a talented player, not because they meant to shoehorn him into tackle, he ended up there by default after camp.

Veldheer is gone, the signing of another vet OT is a possibility.

Bacon, Primetime, and I all had Wynn as our #1 OT prior to the draft. Superb technique, strength, mobility, and recovery skills. You can go look at our pre-draft rankings and discussion if you care to dig.

Wozzy said:

There is one of those declarative statements again. If Wynn is a pro bowl caliber guard, that's a mistake I would accept every time. Nobody knows the Patriots true intentions. If it comes to pass, the only mistake will have been by posters assuming tackle was Wynn's only position.

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Jesus are you reading or listening challenged ? You have the OL coach flat out saying WYNN IS THE STARTING LT and it is his job to lose. Like what else do you need to determine intentions ?

I mean if he was drafted with the interior in mind then we would have heard completely different statements (i.e. more vague) from the coaching staff.

Seriously, you keep digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

UptownPatsFan said:

Simple:

When Wynn is healthy, he’ll be the LT.

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The question is: when will he be completely healthy. He is coming off of a very serious Achilles injury. That is a much more difficult injury to come back from than some, and it must be remembered that he is still effectively a rookie.

I would be delighted if he comes in to training camp and is 100% fully recovered from his injury (both physically and mentally) and slides in as the no-brainer LT.

However, that is a lot to ask from (effectively) a rookie coming off that type of injury, and I would not be at all surprised if they ease him a bit (maybe with some snaps at T and some at G) until he gets his confidence (especially in the repaired Achilles) up a bit. We'll see.

Certainly I agree that it will be a bit of a disappointment if he isn't taking most of the LT snaps by mid year or so.

Deus Irae said:

Come week 1, this thread's going to be a hoot to revisit.

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That's the hope...but that's all it is right now.

UptownPatsFan said:

Simple:

IF Wynn is healthy, he’ll be the LT.

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Fixed it for you.

luuked said:

Which is why there will almost certainly be another veteran tackle signing before camp.

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Here's one list of free agent offensive linemen:

2019 NFL Free Agents Tracker

Not really much at all available at OT, even fewer with LT experience. Pats would probably be better-served either trading for one or waiting until Cut-Down Day.

Offensive tackle is currently the Pats greatest need. Where is the parade of UDFAs and veterans trying out?

Mack Herron said:

I can barely comprehend Olszewski flying under the radar of our crack prospect analyses. I must reevaluate everything.

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Next Edelman. I hereby dub him "Chipmunk."

Slightly OT:

Damn... I feel terrible for the Foles family. God bless.

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Update:

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