Patriots 53 man roster post draft

farn · May 25, 2019

robertweathers said:
Over the years we've seen multiple teams pick up our backups. I would not be surprised if HOU, TN or DET

And if NE loses Etling, so be it. Despite all the positive vibes, let’s keep it real - Etling shouldn’t be an important factor in « how 2019 plays out ». If he IS, I’m not counting on confetti for the Patriots.

supafly · May 25, 2019

robertweathers said:
Over the years we've seen multiple teams pick up our backups. I would not be surprised if HOU, TN or DET

Yeah. We’ll see. I think this one may be a bit different. He’s a 7th rounder or UDFA throwaway (can’t remember), who didn’t raise any eyebrows during his first year and is likely forgotten behind a whole new group of guys.

Who have these backups been? KOC (3rd round), Mallet (3rd round), and who else? I honestly can’t remember.

SBLIII · May 25, 2019

farn said:
STs from 2014-2017. Dependable. Until mid season ST changes, 2018 was scary. I can live with an extra 4th down punt or two if it means we cover... I hope Ebner sticks.

I agree and right now I don't think Obi will kick him off but I hope he does. I think the STs will be very good this year with the additions of Brooks and Bolden, those 2 are very underrated signings and can make a significant difference.

RobertWeathers · May 25, 2019

supafly said:
Yeah. We’ll see. I think this one may be a bit different. He’s a 7th rounder or UDFA throwaway (can’t remember), who didn’t raise any eyebrows during his first year and is likely forgotten behind a whole new group of guys.

Who have these backups been? KOC (3rd round), Mallet (3rd round), and who else? I honestly can’t remember.

I think my overall point is the backups have latched on to other places. Hoyer is one. Brisket was obviously traded but he's a decent backup. Matt Gueiterrez was here for a couple of years and spent a few years with KC, CHI and a couple of other places. Throw Matt Cassell into that mix as well...and of course Jimmy.

KOC might be the biggest miss of the bunch but now he's a OC I think. Davey did nothing after he left NE

primetime · May 25, 2019

robertweathers said:
I think my overall point is the backups have latched on to other places. Hoyer is one. Brisket was obviously traded but he's a decent backup. Matt Gueiterrez was here for a couple of years and spent a few years with KC, CHI and a couple of other places. Throw Matt Cassell into that mix as well...and of course Jimmy.

KOC might be the biggest miss of the bunch but now he's a OC I think. Davey did nothing after he left NE

All those guys spent time on the active roster though, and the ones that didn't start any games were at least day 2 picks. Hoyer is the exception but he spent several years behind Brady and his career was a bit odd because he would have been out of football if not for the Cardinals desperately needing somebody to just play quarterback for the last few games of 2012 after all their QBs got hurt.

Pretty much any NFL QB who starts a few games ends up kicking around the league for at least a few years. Etlings are a dime a dozen. Everyone's got their own late-round unicorn QB on a practice squad or whatever, I doubt anyone will nick ours.

RobertWeathers · May 25, 2019

farn said:
And if NE loses Etling, so be it. Despite all the positive vibes, let’s keep it real - Etling shouldn’t be an important factor in « how 2019 plays out ». If he IS, I’m not counting on confetti for the Patriots.

Yea I don't see him making it either but he will be picked up by some ankle-biter who wants a well-coached backup who knows our system well enough to have their brain picked

RobertWeathers · May 25, 2019

primetime said:
All those guys spent time on the active roster though, and the ones that didn't start any games were at least day 2 picks. Etling's a dime a dozen.

The other point is the NEP do a good job of developing functional QBs regardless if they are on the roster or not.

primetime · May 25, 2019

robertweathers said:
The other point is the NEP do a good job of developing functional QBs regardless if they are on the roster or not.

I'm not sure which way causation runs here, whether these guys get chances because they were Patriots or whether being Patriots is why they're good enough to get chances. Other than Jimmy, as well as Hoyer and Cassel at times during their careers, most of these guys were sub-replacement level as starters. Hoyer's the only one to play in a playoff game and he lost the only one he started 30-0.

RobertWeathers · May 25, 2019

primetime said:
I'm not sure which way causation runs here, whether these guys get chances because they were Patriots or whether being Patriots is why they're good enough to get chances. Other than Jimmy, as well as Hoyer and Cassel at times during their careers, most of these guys were sub-replacement level as starters. Hoyer's the only one to play in a playoff game and he lost the only one he started 30-0.

Yea me neither.

Cassell was also in a playoff game. That's two!

Tom was a backup and he's been in 38

I think it might be both. They might get the door opened b/c they were exposed to Tom, BB, system etc but also the NEP were good at developing their potential.

Nobody is saying they were great. They just were taught how to be a pro backup well here.

RobertWeathers · May 25, 2019

SBLIII said:
I agree and right now I don't think Obi will kick him off but I hope he does. I think the STs will be very good this year with the additions of Brooks and Bolden, those 2 are very underrated signings and can make a significant difference.

Obi is an athletic tease on the fast track to becoming an enigma.

luuked · May 25, 2019

supafly said:
I have a hard time imagining a roster where Hoyer doesn’t remain as the backup. It’s something that people will debate all summer long, but I never really saw much of an argument. I think Bill was prepared to keep 3 QBs the whole time.

Here a few words Lazar mentioned in one of his recent podcasts about Hoyer working with Harry:

His experience has a lot of value. He will be on the roster.

luuked · May 25, 2019

primetime said:
I'm not sure which way causation runs here, whether these guys get chances because they were Patriots or whether being Patriots is why they're good enough to get chances. Other than Jimmy, as well as Hoyer and Cassel at times during their careers, most of these guys were sub-replacement level as starters. Hoyer's the only one to play in a playoff game and he lost the only one he started 30-0.

Cassel and Hoyer were both repeated starting QBs and made a living being in that rare tier between starters and the tier of career pencil holders. Both are success stories by any reasonable measure.

Generally speaking the Pats under BB have been damn good at developing QBs relative to the rest of the league.

primetime · May 25, 2019

robertweathers said:
Yea me neither.

Cassell was also in a playoff game. That's two!

Tom was a backup and he's been in 38

I think it might be both. They might get the door opened b/c they were exposed to Tom, BB, system etc but also the NEP were good at developing their potential.

Nobody is saying they were great. They just were taught how to be a pro backup well here.

Part of this, I think, is that the Patriots have had a level of certainty at starting QB that has allowed them to have a backup QB who was a developmental player as opposed to a veteran so the Patriots have simply had more young backup QBs who they've let walk away and replaced.

Patsgofor4 · May 27, 2019

A lot of people seem to be writing off Dawson already. They paid a significant price to trade up to get him in the second, so this is a guy that BB and co. were more than just “in like with”. I just don’t see them giving up on him year 2. I still think that he has chance to be the future starter at slot (with JJ leaving via FA, possibly netting a comp pick) or a FS (with McCourty potentially retiring after this year). Succession planning is one of the things that BB does best.

SBLIII · May 27, 2019

Patsgofor4 said:
A lot of people seem to be writing off Dawson already. They paid a significant price to trade up to get him in the second, so this is a guy that BB and co. were more than just “in like with”. I just don’t see them giving up on him year 2. I still think that he has chance to be the future starter at slot (with JJ leaving via FA, possibly netting a comp pick) or a FS (with McCourty potentially retiring after this year). Succession planning is one of the things that BB does best.

Agreed. I'm not one of them writing him off. Great prospect hopefully player soon and I think we will see him surprise people in 2019 or 2020. This writing off is without substance too.

captain stone · May 27, 2019

Updated WWBD version post-Watson suspension:

(Again, this version is my prediction of what Bill will do given the players currently on the 90, not what I would do with them. My version is much, Much different than his.)

QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham

RB (6) J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.White, R.Burkhead, S.Michel, D.Harris

WR (4) J.Edelman, P.Dorsett, N.Harry, D.Inman

TE (3) A.Seferian-Jenkins, M.LaCost, R.Izzo

- Once again, the less-than-useless, dime a dozen-dozen Matty LaCost opens a wrapper and finds another Golden Ticket inside it.

C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (3) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, C.Croston

DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, A.Butler, B.Cowart

ILB (2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
OLB (4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King

CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jones, J.Williams, D.Dawson, J.Jackson

SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks

ST (4) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, M.Slater

Total players: 53
Created with Pats Picker: Pats Picker 2018

One-If-By-Sea · May 27, 2019

Patsgofor4 said:
A lot of people seem to be writing off Dawson already. They paid a significant price to trade up to get him in the second, so this is a guy that BB and co. were more than just “in like with”. I just don’t see them giving up on him year 2. I still think that he has chance to be the future starter at slot (with JJ leaving via FA, possibly netting a comp pick) or a FS (with McCourty potentially retiring after this year). Succession planning is one of the things that BB does best.

He played safety one year at FL and corner the next, 1" shorter, heavier, stronger, faster than D McCourty, and everyone says he anticipates well. It sure looks like D McCourty is retiring soon, so BB very well may have planned DMc's replacement.

BlueThunder · May 27, 2019

captain stone said:
Updated WWBD version post-Watson suspension:

(Again, this version is my prediction of what Bill will do given the players currently on the 90, not what I would do with them. My version is much, Much different than his.)

QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham

RB (6) J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.White, R.Burkhead, S.Michel, D.Harris

WR (4) J.Edelman, P.Dorsett, N.Harry, D.Inman

TE (3) A.Seferian-Jenkins, M.LaCost, R.Izzo

- Once again, the less-than-useless, dime a dozen-dozen Matty LaCost opens a wrapper and finds another Golden Ticket inside it.

C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (3) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, C.Croston

DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, A.Butler, B.Cowart

ILB (2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
OLB (4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King

CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jones, J.Williams, D.Dawson, J.Jackson

SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks

ST (4) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, M.Slater

Total players: 53
Created with Pats Picker: Pats Picker 2018

Only thing I could possibly differ with....
No Cajuste on your final 53??

captain stone · May 27, 2019

BlueThunder said:
Only thing I could possibly differ with....
No Cajuste on your final 53??

PUP.

Dexter · May 28, 2019

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