BB Best GM in NFL.. again.

Doctor DDS · May 25, 2019

There has never been a GM in the history of the league who was able to bring in enough talent to have a legitimate shot at a championship for as long of a time period as BB has done. He has the uncanny ability to identify role specific talent and fit them perfectly into their assignments and do so at the "right price." Does a particularly good job with UDFA and underutilized "busts" (Van Noy types) Parsing BB the Coach vs GM is an impossible task and comparing "talent
across teams is a generally useless exercise. Outside of Brady I imagine the Pats have generally been some where in the top 10 for "talented" rosters (I put talented in quotes as there is no definition of it that makes all that much sense in football in my eyes) through most of their dynasty but scheme, play calling and coaching in general play such an important role in football that I am not sure how important having the best talent is (outside of QB) anyways.

Is Gurley better than Michel? Is the Pats D-Line typically anything to write home about? OL is typically made up of a bunch of overachievers who are molded by Scar and may be marginally successful elsewhere. Just not sure how much it matters.

aluminum seats · May 25, 2019

Soliel said:
Mug aaa muh ha ha

Hmmmmm....I’ll accept “muahahaha” or “mwahahaha” or even “bwahahaha,” but that’s not an acceptable evil laugh.

SBLIII · May 25, 2019

Doctor DDS said:
There has never been a GM in the history of the league who was able to bring in enough talent to have a legitimate shot at a championship for as long of a time period as BB has done. He has the uncanny ability to identify role specific talent and fit them perfectly into their assignments and do so at the "right price." Does a particularly good job with UDFA and underutilized "busts" (Van Noy types) Parsing BB the Coach vs GM is an impossible task and comparing "talent
across teams is a generally useless exercise. Outside of Brady I imagine the Pats have generally been some where in the top 10 for "talented" rosters (I put talented in quotes as there is no definition of it that makes all that much sense in football in my eyes) through most of their dynasty but scheme, play calling and coaching in general play such an important role in football that I am not sure how important having the best talent is (outside of QB) anyways.

Is Gurley better than Michel? Is the Pats D-Line typically anything to write home about? OL is typically made up of a bunch of overachievers who are molded by Scar and may be marginally successful elsewhere. Just not sure how much it matters.

Sometimes they have more top end talent sometimes less but every year there is very good depth on the roster and the team doesn't fall off when some players get injured that's key

RobertWeathers · May 25, 2019

Doctor DDS said:
There has never been a GM in the history of the league who was able to bring in enough talent to have a legitimate shot at a championship for as long of a time period as BB has done. He has the uncanny ability to identify role specific talent and fit them perfectly into their assignments and do so at the "right price." Does a particularly good job with UDFA and underutilized "busts" (Van Noy types) Parsing BB the Coach vs GM is an impossible task and comparing "talent
across teams is a generally useless exercise. Outside of Brady I imagine the Pats have generally been some where in the top 10 for "talented" rosters (I put talented in quotes as there is no definition of it that makes all that much sense in football in my eyes) through most of their dynasty but scheme, play calling and coaching in general play such an important role in football that I am not sure how important having the best talent is (outside of QB) anyways.

Is Gurley better than Michel? Is the Pats D-Line typically anything to write home about? OL is typically made up of a bunch of overachievers who are molded by Scar and may be marginally successful elsewhere. Just not sure how much it matters.

I've always had a problem with the perception that the NEP are "less talented" than other teams.

Having great technique and fundamentals is a talent.

Having intelligence and high football IQ is a talent

Having great energy and self-motivation is a talent

Except for intelligence, you could argue none of the traits I list are "God-given" but are traits quality football players possess.

Doctor DDS · May 25, 2019

Agree about the talent comments. Brady is clearly the most talented QB to ever play but because his #1 talent is his mind/decision making vs someone like Rogers whose best talents are more physical in nature the false narratives continue.

SBLIII · May 25, 2019

Doctor DDS said:
Agree about the talent comments. Brady is clearly the most talented QB to ever play but because his #1 talent is his mind/decision making vs someone like Rogers whose best talents are more physical in nature the false narratives continue.

Agreed. Talent isn't just who can throw the prettiest ball.

Soliel · May 25, 2019

aluminum seats said:
Hmmmmm....I’ll accept “muahahaha” or “mwahahaha” or even “bwahahaha,” but that’s not an acceptable evil laugh.

Well, I still want freakin sharks with lasers on their heads. Or, one million dollars!

Patstopia · May 25, 2019

203Pat said:
JG was botched because by all accounts we were supposed to get a king’s ransom for him. Schefter was saying we wouldn’t give him up for 4 1st round picks then we dump him for a 2? We draft him. Develop him. And then break even? Then the Browns come out and say they would’ve offered more than the 49ers did. We should’ve taken the best offer.

I know that you didn't expect 4 1st for JG, that would have taken a whole boat load of dumb to make that trade.
And Cleveland, well who knows with them. But maybe BB was thinking he would either 1) Help the kid out and 2) Keep JG out of the AFC.
But I suppose the biggest thing to remember is, he had only played in 1 1/2 games in 4 years and then was injured.
Even now after 2 years he has only played in what, 8 games and is 6-2. He has been injured twice in 3 years. So to summarize, 6 years 8 starts 6 wins 2 loses and (16) twice as many missed games as starts. He has potential, but come on a #2 was good for a brittle guy like him at trade time.

203Pat · May 25, 2019

Patstopia said:
I know that you didn't expect 4 1st for JG, that would have taken a whole boat load of dumb to make that trade.
And Cleveland, well who knows with them. But maybe BB was thinking he would either 1) Help the kid out and 2) Keep JG out of the AFC.
But I suppose the biggest thing to remember is, he had only played in 1 1/2 games in 4 years and then was injured.
Even now after 2 years he has only played in what, 8 games and is 6-2. He has been injured twice in 3 years. So to summarize, 6 years 8 starts 6 wins 2 loses and (16) twice as many missed games as starts. He has potential, but come on a #2 was good for a brittle guy like him at trade time.

I agree with you. We never would’ve gotten 4 first rounders but I feel like if we were going to trade him we would’ve gotten more in the off-season. You’re also right about the jury still being out on him. There’s not a lot of film on him due to injuries. With that said I’m rooting for him and really hope he stays healthy this year.

captain stone · May 25, 2019

SBLIII said:
Sometimes they have more top end talent sometimes less but every year there is very good depth on the roster and the team doesn't fall off when some players get injured that's key

Every year...Very Good depth?

Not during the 9-year Drought.

chasa · May 26, 2019

captain stone said:
Every year...Very Good depth?

Not during the 9-year Drought.

the 9 year draught where they lost 2 superbowls, and made it to the AFCCG an additional 3 times?

Teams don't make it to 5 AFCCG and they certainly don't win 2 out of 5 without good depth.

Was it perfect? no, but it was a hell of a lot better then the rest of the league.

TheRainMaker · May 26, 2019

SBLIII said:
every year there is very good depth on the roster

Not in 2006. That was painful watching Manning continually abuse Eric Alexander during the AFCCG and the Pats couldn’t do a damn thing about it.

Had the Pats had decent back up LB’s, they hold on and go to the Super Bowl.

TheRainMaker · May 26, 2019

203Pat said:
As for Easley even the biggest homer in the world has to admit he was a flat out bust. Knee injuries in college. Knee injuries in the pros. On top of being inconsistent and unavailable on the field he was a locker room turd. He’s still in the league? Woohoo! He’s on IR every 5 minutes.

patfanken said:
BTW- as to your comments on the draft. Easley had an effective rookie year where he graded very well. However he was an odd guy that didn't fit and was quickly let go. But it wasn't liked he sucked. He's still in the league.

I disagree. He was terrible after his first year. Rumors of his attitude, injuries and him just not being effective on the field after his first year made it an easy decision to let him go. I watch him during Rams games and he stinks until he goes to IR. He’s a JAG who will be joining Bruce Ellington in retirement soon.

203Pat said:
Then the Browns come out and say they would’ve offered more than the 49ers did. We should’ve taken the best offer.

It was damage control because they were embarrassed they botched the situation. Michael Lombardi has said BB hates negotiating with Cleveland because there’s no go to guy who makes decisions. They had to check with one guy and that guy had to check with the Owner or something like that. Jimmy G was traded to the Niners because BB has a relationship with Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch and knew the negotiation would be quick and easy.

DarrylS · May 26, 2019

robertweathers said:
I've always had a problem with the perception that the NEP are "less talented" than other teams.

Having great technique and fundamentals is a talent.

Having intelligence and high football IQ is a talent

Having great energy and self-motivation is a talent

Except for intelligence, you could argue none of the traits I list are "God-given" but are traits quality football players possess.

Also have to factor in a really great, consistent coaching and front office staff who contribute to finding the players that fit this "system" and adapt to the expectations of the New England Patriots....

"For me, tough, smart, dependable. That’s where I would start. Tough -- mentally and physically. Smart -- good decisions, good football understanding, high football IQ. Dependable -- [in] critical situations, you can count on those players to perform under pressure. You can count on those players to execute what you want to execute as a team. The tougher the game, the more critical the game, the more important the situation, the more I want the tough, smart, dependable player in the game, in the eye of the storm, making a decision that needs to be made for us to win.".. Bill Belichickism

Gronkowski123 · May 26, 2019

The king of football

1960Pats · May 26, 2019

IllegalContact said:
Felger and Mazz were going off on BB yesterday because Brady is not in passing camp throwing to new targets......their argument was that it doesn't matter that he wins superbowls, that's just wrong

there's one in every crowd....in this case, two

For years I've kept tuning in now and then to that station and WEEI, hoping that they would clean up their acts. They haven't.

1960Pats · May 26, 2019

Doctor DDS said:
There has never been a GM in the history of the league who was able to bring in enough talent to have a legitimate shot at a championship for as long of a time period as BB has done. He has the uncanny ability to identify role specific talent and fit them perfectly into their assignments and do so at the "right price." Does a particularly good job with UDFA and underutilized "busts" (Van Noy types) Parsing BB the Coach vs GM is an impossible task and comparing "talent
across teams is a generally useless exercise. Outside of Brady I imagine the Pats have generally been some where in the top 10 for "talented" rosters (I put talented in quotes as there is no definition of it that makes all that much sense in football in my eyes) through most of their dynasty but scheme, play calling and coaching in general play such an important role in football that I am not sure how important having the best talent is (outside of QB) anyways.

Is Gurley better than Michel? Is the Pats D-Line typically anything to write home about? OL is typically made up of a bunch of overachievers who are molded by Scar and may be marginally successful elsewhere. Just not sure how much it matters.

The only HC/GM that's in the discussion is Chuck Noll and he isn't even close. He built a very strong team but not for two decades. He did it for a little more than half as long as BB.

jimnance · May 26, 2019

203Pat said:
I agree with you. We never would’ve gotten 4 first rounders but I feel like if we were going to trade him we would’ve gotten more in the off-season. You’re also right about the jury still being out on him. There’s not a lot of film on him due to injuries. With that said I’m rooting for him and really hope he stays healthy this year.

It's been well- documented why the Pats didn't trade him in the off-season.
If you were a true Pat's fan, you'd know this.
They did exactly what they wanted with JG.
The more you post about this,the more football-ignorant you appear.

Wax Frog · May 26, 2019

Soliel said:
I bet he never talks about it. I also bet we’re going 19-0 this year! Going to the bowl and there’s nothing any one can do to stop us.. not even Austin Powers! Mug aaa muh ha ha

aluminum seats said:
Hmmmmm....I’ll accept “muahahaha” or “mwahahaha” or even “bwahahaha,” but that’s not an acceptable evil laugh.

How about a muay thai muh ha ha?

203Pat · May 26, 2019

jimnance said:
It's been well- documented why the Pats didn't trade him in the off-season.
If you were a true Pat's fan, you'd know this.
They did exactly what they wanted with JG.
The more you post about this,the more football-ignorant you appear.

Oh no. I hope I haven’t lost your respect!

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