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The 2017 draft produced one solid role player.
The 2016 draft produced one starter and 2 backup/rotational players.
The 2015 draft produced 2 studs (one now gone) an underwhelming starter and a special teamer.
The 2014 draft produced a great role player, a short time starter and a couple backups.

Not terrible drafting but definitely a few underwhelming in a few years.


Now if you want to play fair - you must include how Bill used ALL his draft picks in the years that you selected. Bill wields the draft like a sword. You can't forsee what a player will due with HIS opportunity - but you can maximize those numbers of opportunities.
The following is a list of ALL players received from trades for Bill's draft picks in YOUR time frame.

Aqib Talib
Albert Haynesworth
Ochocinco
Legarrette Blount
Isaac Sopoaga
Jonathan Casillas
Akeem Ayers
Greg Salas
Martellus Bennett
Keshawn Martin
Jon Bostic
Brandin Cooks
Kony Ealy
Dwayne Allen
Mike Gillesley
Barkevious Mingo
James O’Shaughnessy
Kyle Van Noy
Michael Williams
Trent Brown
Eric Rowe
Cordarrelle Patterson
Cassius Marsh
Jason McCourty
Marquis Flowers
Danny Shelton
Josh Gordon
Johnson Bademosi
Michael Bennett

Plus 2 Picks that were Stolen by the NFL for Deflategate
 
Of course Belichick is the best GM in the league. Look at all his Executive Of The Year awards...oh, wait...never mind
 
Now if you want to play fair - you must include how Bill used ALL his draft picks in the years that you selected. Bill wields the draft like a sword. You can't forsee what a player will due with HIS opportunity - but you can maximize those numbers of opportunities.
The following is a list of ALL players received from trades for Bill's draft picks in YOUR time frame.

Aqib Talib
Albert Haynesworth
Ochocinco
Legarrette Blount
Isaac Sopoaga
Jonathan Casillas
Akeem Ayers
Greg Salas
Martellus Bennett
Keshawn Martin
Jon Bostic
Brandin Cooks
Kony Ealy
Dwayne Allen
Mike Gillesley
Barkevious Mingo
James O’Shaughnessy
Kyle Van Noy
Michael Williams
Trent Brown
Eric Rowe
Cordarrelle Patterson
Cassius Marsh
Jason McCourty
Marquis Flowers
Danny Shelton
Josh Gordon
Johnson Bademosi
Michael Bennett

Plus 2 Picks that were Stolen by the NFL for Deflategate
I agree Bill almost never gets swindled in a trade. I wouldn’t necessarily have traded some of our guys (Chandler Jones, Deion Branch) even with the good picks we got back but he doesn’t usually flat out lose a trade. Everyone he trades for may not end up being a star but he off the top of my head Derrick Burgess is the only one I can think of that he gave up anything more than a late round pick for that didn’t work out.
 
An opinion piece that BB is once again the best GM in football, I agree. Letting his LT walk two years in a row, a fairly novel approach to Free Agency and team building. Then there is all the hardware...

Now if he could only be nicer to the press and treat them with kid gloves as they ask idiotic questions, he might just be perfect...

Goal Line Stand: NFL's Best GMs 2019 - Fantasy Columns


BUT.. BUT.. BUT.. BB the GM sucks and screws over BB the Coach.. Just ask the likes of @captain stone ...
 
Of course Belichick is the best GM in the league. Look at all his Executive Of The Year awards...oh, wait...never mind

I wouldn't be surprised that the league owners don't consider BB to be an "Executive" since he's the HC for the Pats. They probably just look at Caserio....

I think you probably agree that BB probably doesn't care about that award.. That he only cares about Rings..
 
How do BB the coach and BB the GM stay together for so long with both of their egos? Bet there’s a lot of backstabbing between those two.
 
Pats fans have it pretty good.

Unprecedented success for 2 decades.

Goat QB. Goat TE. Goat WR (even though Moss was only here a few years)

Goat HC/GM

Goat OL Coach, Josh (These 2 are still a bit underrated here & nationwide imo) Bill, Scar & Josh is just unfair. Those 2 would probably be top 5-10 poached coaches, if other teams could steal another coach from another team.

Countless other coaches, staff, & players.

Truly something when you consider the collective we've witnessed.
 
The 2017 draft produced one solid role player.
The 2016 draft produced one starter and 2 backup/rotational players.
The 2015 draft produced 2 studs (one now gone) an underwhelming starter and a special teamer.
The 2014 draft produced a great role player, a short time starter and a couple backups.

Not terrible drafting but definitely a few underwhelming in a few years.

Every bad draft theory always comes down to perception more than reality. If you want to prove a bad draft you don't point at the current roster and say see only a few drafted players. You compare each Pats draft with every other teams draft. Then at least you have proof and not just an opinion.
 
Somewhere, Captain Stone is sitting in his worn leather barcalounger, twisting his mustache, scoffing at this poll and waiting for the perfect moment to release his negative venom into this thread.
 
The 2017 draft produced one solid role player.
The 2016 draft produced one starter and 2 backup/rotational players.
The 2015 draft produced 2 studs (one now gone) an underwhelming starter and a special teamer.
The 2014 draft produced a great role player, a short time starter and a couple backups.

Not terrible drafting but definitely a few underwhelming in a few years.

When I look at that stat it does not make much sense unless you compare it to other teams, need a longitudinal study of how other teams have done compared to their overall success..

Consider how the draft & UDFA's has impacted the NEP roster.. which is about 2/3 of our roster...
  • [*]Original draft picks: 39
    [*]Original undrafted signings: 21
    [*]Subsequent free agents, waiver claims, trade acquisitions and futures: 30
Pats Pulpit has a pretty good narrative on how this team was built, currently the Pats are loaded with later round draft picks and UDFA's.. 50 0f the current 90 players have been selected in the 5th or 6th round + the UDFA's.. that is a large portion of the current team.

Breaking the Patriots’ roster down to its NFL roots
 
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For me BB is like Pizza - One of the best forms of food delivery (assuming you are good with breads). You can have different sauces, different cheeses, toppings. Fold it in half to make it a calzone (which some people consider not to be a form of pizza).

It's the same basic structure, but can be excellent in so many different ways. Good hot, warm, room temperature, even cold - there's almost no state of being where pizza or BB isn't good to great.

Though, I tend to think he's more of an anchovie guy when pressed by the media.
 
An opinion piece that BB is once again the best GM in football, I agree. Letting his LT walk two years in a row, a fairly novel approach to Free Agency and team building. Then there is all the hardware...

Now if he could only be nicer to the press and treat them with kid gloves as they ask idiotic questions, he might just be perfect...

Goal Line Stand: NFL's Best GMs 2019 - Fantasy Columns

you needed a news article to convince you of this? lol
 
you needed a news article to convince you of this? lol

Not about convincing, more about validating my belief.. good to see folks outside of NE see things the way they are, rather than how they are sometimes portrayed...
 
2013
Jamie Collins
Logan Ryan
Duron Harmon
Ryan Allen
Josh Kline

2014
James White
Malcolm Butler
Jimmy G
Cameron Fleming
Dominique Easley
Zach Moore
Bryan Stork
Jon Halapio

2015
Malcolm Brown
David Andrews
Joe Cardona
Justin Coleman
Trey Flowers
Geneo Grissom
Brandon King
Shaq Mason
Jordan Richards
Darryl Roberts

2016
Joe Thuney
Elandon Roberts
Jonathan Jones
Ted Karras
Jacoby Brissett
Cyrus Jones
Malcolm Mitchell
Vincent Valentine

2017
Adam Butler
Cole Croston
Jacob Hollister
Harvey Langi
Deatrich Wise
Derek Rivers
Keionta Davis
Conor McDermott

2018
Sony Michel
Ja'whaun Bentley
Keion Crossen
JC Jackson
Isaiah Wynn
Duke Dawson
Christian Sam
Braxton Berrios
Danny Etling
Ryan Izzo

These are the rookie talents acquired by the Patriots from 2013 until now, I love when fans suggest this is "bad" or Bill isn't very good at drafting.

That ^ probably represents the most successful talent acquisition of rookies by any team in that time span. Go look at the individual draft classes of Bill Walsh, Joe Gibbs and others, what you'll find is the draft is a crapshoot.

All of the players above either contributed to playoff wins, are still in the league contributing for somebody else, or had their career cut low due to injury.

Injury can't be accounted for, so suggesting a player lost to injury is a "bad pick" is simply bad analysis.
 
This all goes back to the draft capital argument. If you’re fine wasting a second round pick on Cyrus Jones but then ending up with a solid, versatile UFA corner in Johnathan Jones then that’s fine. If you want to make that argument then I can see where you’re coming from. I just don’t like the wasted draft capital in the first few rounds that we had for a few years. From 2014-2017 we had 11 picks in the first 3 rounds. Out of them Joe Thuney is the only one who is a great pick as far as I’m concerned. Malcolm Brown was okay/underwhelming and Jimmy G I feel like we botched that whole situation. There have been a bunch of flat out busts in the first 3 rounds in that span. Cyrus Jones, Antonio Garcia, Jordan Richards, and Dominique Easley were all flat out wasted picks. In the end of the day I still think as a whole Bill is a good drafter/talent evaluator. Based on what he’s done the last 2 decades this is somewhat nitpicking but I would like to see more pro bowl caliber players drafted in the first few rounds.
 
This all goes back to the draft capital argument. If you’re fine wasting a second round pick on Cyrus Jones but then ending up with a solid, versatile UFA corner in Johnathan Jones then that’s fine. If you want to make that argument then I can see where you’re coming from. I just don’t like the wasted draft capital in the first few rounds that we had for a few years. From 2014-2017 we had 11 picks in the first 3 rounds. Out of them Joe Thuney is the only one who is a great pick as far as I’m concerned. Malcolm Brown was okay/underwhelming and Jimmy G I feel like we botched that whole situation. There have been a bunch of flat out busts in the first 3 rounds in that span. Cyrus Jones, Antonio Garcia, Jordan Richards, and Dominique Easley were all flat out wasted picks. In the end of the day I still think as a whole Bill is a good drafter/talent evaluator. Based on what he’s done the last 2 decades this is somewhat nitpicking but I would like to see more pro bowl caliber players drafted in the first few rounds.

I'm fine with the way Belichick is drafting. Sometimes you hit on more, sometimes on less. The only thing that really pisses me off are the annual 2nd round DB busts.
 
Brady, for a QB in the NFL, is old as hell. RnR time is prolly more beneficial at this point. **** I'd love to keep Brady fresh and have him brought in as late as game 5, but that's a perfect world where we had some promise the record would be 4-1 by that point.

Tl;Dr: he's old and could prolly use as much rest as possible.
 
This all goes back to the draft capital argument. If you’re fine wasting a second round pick on Cyrus Jones but then ending up with a solid, versatile UFA corner in Johnathan Jones then that’s fine. If you want to make that argument then I can see where you’re coming from. I just don’t like the wasted draft capital in the first few rounds that we had for a few years. From 2014-2017 we had 11 picks in the first 3 rounds. Out of them Joe Thuney is the only one who is a great pick as far as I’m concerned. Malcolm Brown was okay/underwhelming and Jimmy G I feel like we botched that whole situation. There have been a bunch of flat out busts in the first 3 rounds in that span. Cyrus Jones, Antonio Garcia, Jordan Richards, and Dominique Easley were all flat out wasted picks. In the end of the day I still think as a whole Bill is a good drafter/talent evaluator. Based on what he’s done the last 2 decades this is somewhat nitpicking but I would like to see more pro bowl caliber players drafted in the first few rounds.
How exactly did the Pats "botch" the JG situation. You aren't saying that the Pats should have KEPT Jimmy instead of Tom are you? You aren't saying the Pats should have used the franchise tag on Jimmy and tied up about $25MM in cap space for the 2nd best QB on the team? You aren't saying the Pats should have signed Jimmy to a VERY expensive long term contract to be Brady's back up, when Jimmy made it absolutely clear that he was NEVER going to sign an extension here because he wanted to start?

So HOW exactly did the Pats "botch" it....and why is it that some fans like yourself STILL think the Pats should have done something different?

BTW- as to your comments on the draft. Easley had an effective rookie year where he graded very well. However he was an odd guy that didn't fit and was quickly let go. But it wasn't liked he sucked. He's still in the league.

Garcia was just a guy who had bad luck with his health and couldn't play. The Pats couldn't have foreseen this issue. It wasn't like a bad knee or something.

CJones was unfortunate. But his issue was, in my opinion, his mental toughness. His return issue got into his head and effected his entire game. IIRC he's still with the Ravens. He might do well there as he gets older

Richards was the only pick you mentioned that was a complete bust IMHO. It was a head scratcher when they made the pick, and a head scratcher every time they let him on the field. It was truly an awful pick.

But in the end the job of the draft is to find football players good enough to play in the NFL On this basis most of BB picks HAVE worked out. Maybe not for the Pats, but they have proven that they were good enough to play.

The second job is to find players who can fit into THIS particular program. Players who can deal with the high pressure, high expectations, high accountability, hard coaching, and very hard work load. Players who will "fit in" to the culture. In THIS area the results are not as good as we like, but certainly no worse than any other program. Easley would be the poster child for this kind of mistake.

But in the end, the draft is a TOTAL crap shoot even if you are drafting high, let alone where the Pats draft. This year the Pats drafted 9 players. If they get 4 to still be with the team when their rookie contracts end in 4 years , this will be a good draft. Anything more than that would make it a great draft.

As for BB the GM with vet FA signings, I think BB excels even more. For every Alber Haynesworth, there are MANY more names of success stories. Some have stayed and made NE home. Others have used their time in NE to "get paid" elsewhere in FA

Same goes for his trades. They don't ALL work out. Kony Ealy was an example of a particularly bad result. But most end up being decent trades that end up helping the team. Fill in your own examples, this is too long already.



Richards
 
How exactly did the Pats "botch" the JG situation. You aren't saying that the Pats should have KEPT Jimmy instead of Tom are you? You aren't saying the Pats should have used the franchise tag on Jimmy and tied up about $25MM in cap space for the 2nd best QB on the team? You aren't saying the Pats should have signed Jimmy to a VERY expensive long term contract to be Brady's back up, when Jimmy made it absolutely clear that he was NEVER going to sign an extension here because he wanted to start?

So HOW exactly did the Pats "botch" it....and why is it that some fans like yourself STILL think the Pats should have done something different?

BTW- as to your comments on the draft. Easley had an effective rookie year where he graded very well. However he was an odd guy that didn't fit and was quickly let go. But it wasn't liked he sucked. He's still in the league.

Garcia was just a guy who had bad luck with his health and couldn't play. The Pats couldn't have foreseen this issue. It wasn't like a bad knee or something.

CJones was unfortunate. But his issue was, in my opinion, his mental toughness. His return issue got into his head and effected his entire game. IIRC he's still with the Ravens. He might do well there as he gets older

Richards was the only pick you mentioned that was a complete bust IMHO. It was a head scratcher when they made the pick, and a head scratcher every time they let him on the field. It was truly an awful pick.

But in the end the job of the draft is to find football players good enough to play in the NFL On this basis most of BB picks HAVE worked out. Maybe not for the Pats, but they have proven that they were good enough to play.

The second job is to find players who can fit into THIS particular program. Players who can deal with the high pressure, high expectations, high accountability, hard coaching, and very hard work load. Players who will "fit in" to the culture. In THIS area the results are not as good as we like, but certainly no worse than any other program. Easley would be the poster child for this kind of mistake.

But in the end, the draft is a TOTAL crap shoot even if you are drafting high, let alone where the Pats draft. This year the Pats drafted 9 players. If they get 4 to still be with the team when their rookie contracts end in 4 years , this will be a good draft. Anything more than that would make it a great draft.

As for BB the GM with vet FA signings, I think BB excels even more. For every Alber Haynesworth, there are MANY more names of success stories. Some have stayed and made NE home. Others have used their time in NE to "get paid" elsewhere in FA

Same goes for his trades. They don't ALL work out. Kony Ealy was an example of a particularly bad result. But most end up being decent trades that end up helping the team. Fill in your own examples, this is too long already.



Richards
Lol okay so anything that didn’t work out was just some streak of bad luck. How unfortunate.

JG was botched because by all accounts we were supposed to get a king’s ransom for him. Schefter was saying we wouldn’t give him up for 4 1st round picks then we dump him for a 2? We draft him. Develop him. And then break even? Then the Browns come out and say they would’ve offered more than the 49ers did. We should’ve taken the best offer.

As for Easley even the biggest homer in the world has to admit he was a flat out bust. Knee injuries in college. Knee injuries in the pros. On top of being inconsistent and unavailable on the field he was a locker room turd. He’s still in the league? Woohoo! He’s on IR every 5 minutes.

Well as much as I put stock into your opinion on Cyrus’s lack of mental toughness that did him in it’s more the fact that he couldn’t play. He couldn’t cover anyone and he couldn’t return punts. He was a flat out bust whether it was because he was mentally tough or not.

Jordan Richard couldn’t have been a bust! He was still in the league last year!

Like I said in my last post, if you look at the players he ends up with without looking at the draft spot the last few drafts haven’t been bad. If you look at the first 3 rounds of the last few drafts they haven’t been good. I’ve said this about 10 times now on homerfans.com, you don’t need to love absolutely every single move the team makes to be a fan. Just because they win a lot doesn’t mean they don’t have areas to improve on. I even said this was somewhat nitpicky.
 
To specifically look at the Patriots draft "successes or failures" is difficult unless viewed in some sort of longitudinal examination on how the NFL's upper echelon teams "successes or failures"... at one time I charted this and the results were comparable.

If a team has had their 1st round picks taken by Roger 2X and then that team picks consistently above #25 there are different metrics regarding how the results are measured.. Cleveland has had top picks for years now, and how far have they gotten??.. Arizona comes to mind as well.

The draft is only one way to build a team.. and BB's creativity has done an outstanding job especially with comp picks.. seem to remember how he has mastered this part of the Draft and continues to do so... 14 draft picks next year?? May parlay that into 20 for 2021. Stay tuned..
 
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