Edelman contract extended

captain stone said:

My "thots"? Tanguay's a clueless feckin idiot.

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Did Jules screw Tanguay's wife girlfriend or something?? Jules didn't even make his list??

PatsFan2 said:

Did Jules screw Tanguay's wife girlfriend or something?? Jules didn't even make his list??

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Can't say what about Edelman and Tanguay's wife or girlfriend (or both) but it could be this was his daughter...

Great move, he should be happy. Edelman gives 100% every day. Having a contract until his possible retirement won't cause Edelman to give less.

PatsFan2 said:

Crazy Edelman is Second to Rice in Playoffs receiving yards and won't even sniff the NFL HOF.

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He's sniffing.

Hyped said:

Good to know we take care of our guys. Jules has been underpaid for YEARS.....and extending him now makes him a bargain in the next two seasons...if he were an UFA...he could have seriously commanded up to 14-15M a season....with bozos like AB making 18M a season...

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That's what Wes Welker and his agent thought. In actuality, not so much.

I don't know if teams have changed their position on the value of quick receivers or not...

TruthSeeker said:

That's what Wes Welker and his agent thought. In actuality, not so much.

I don't know if teams have changed their position on the value of quick receivers or not...

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Humphries got 10 million per year.

SBLIII said:

Humphries got 10 million per year.

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I guess Julian is following the Brady example and leaving a little money on the table to help the team field a champion then.

SBLIII said:

Humphries got 10 million per year.

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Humphries gets $8.75 per year. He won't see year four of that contract.

SBLIII said:

Humphries got 10 million per year.

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Not only that, he almost got it from us.

AndyJohnson said:

You need to watch the play. Brady threw it where Brady had to throw it and where Welker knew he would. As Collingsworth said at the moment 100 times out of 100 Welker catches that pass. It was virtually a perfect pass if you pay attention to where the defenders were.

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luuked said:

I have been critical of Brady as much as anyone in the past few years but I can't believe people still bring "the drop" up and say it was a bad pass. Welker was a AP WR, he is expected to make that catch each time.

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I swear people have just not watched the play since it happened.

This talk that the ball should have to his inside shoulder is absolutely asanine. He broke to the outside, so Brady was supposed to throw it so he’d have to whip back around his body in the other direction? The ball hits Welker exactly on the hands...the snapshot photo shows his hands are closed together on the nose of the ball. That’s a dropped pass.

The reason it looks like it “could be” a bad pass is because of the way it comes out. Because it wasn’t like a bobble and there was no point where he was securing it to his body, it makes it appear that the ball itself was thrown too far to the outside. But again, that’s because Welker’s hands are closed which give it a volleyball punch effect.

If you just watch it and pause it exactly when Welker goes to catch the ball, it’s clear and obvious that Welker is completely at fault for the drop. Brady threw it to lead him into the catch, and the ball was where it was supposed to be.

In fact, had he just caught the ball, he would have continue running with it. He didn’t fall to the ground because he was so off balance. He fell as soon as he realized the ball was going to the ground and lost his balance at that point. Just have to watch it closely.



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PatsFan2 said:

Crazy Edelman is Second to Rice in Playoffs receiving yards and won't even sniff the NFL HOF.

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Edelman has a decent shot at getting into the HOF, I think. He's 36 playoff receptions behind Jerry Rice - that is doable over two years with Brady. He's at 499 total receptions and could get to 625-630 receptions which puts him in or near the top 50 receivers all-time. Three rings in three appearance with iconic clutch plays (Atlanta 2016). Tough to look past among the players who vote for the finalists.

goheels22002 said:

Edelman has a decent shot at getting into the HOF, I think. He's 36 playoff receptions behind Jerry Rice - that is doable over two years with Brady. He's at 499 total receptions and could get to 625-630 receptions which puts him in or near the top 50 receivers all-time. Three rings in three appearance with iconic clutch plays (Atlanta 2016). Tough to look past among the players who vote for the finalists.

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He’s got a shot for sure. Career ain’t over yet.

So glad Edelman got that huge check to deposit. That's back pay. Well done, Pats front office!

The odds that one team (ours) would have both of these guys (Welker, Squirrel) in a relatively short period of time is beyond awesome.

Look up either "creative pessimist"or "toxic attitude" in the dictionary and you'll find this: "Patriots fans enjoying the most amazing run in professional sports history, blessed by the two of the greatest inside WR's of all time, somehow finding a way to have snarky arguments about which one is better."

1960Pats said:

I blame Brady for the pass he threw. It was barely in reach for Welker after he spun around. I stopped arguing about it years ago.

Edelman does seem to have some drops at times, but in crunch time he's deadly.

He's as tough as nails too.

One of the best return men.

He also seems to be able to make extra yardage where there doesn't seem to be any.

I'm glad he's ours.

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When you see the multiple angles of the play (just type in Welker drop gif), especially not the broadcast angle, but the ones from the sideline cameras, it gives a very different perspective on the play.

The pass is borderline perfect, so much so that Welker’s initial smooth rotation is to immediately grab it and continue to running for extra yardage.

The milisecond he drops it, he sweeps his leg and arms towards the falling ball and careens down in an awkward motion, due to re-adjusting to the ball post-drop. The ball comes out to the side because his hands hit the nose of the ball. It’s a routine catch that looks awkward due to the post-drop contortions that mislead you into thinking he was off-balance - due to adjusting - all along.



Watch when the leg sweep happens. It follows from his outreached ARMS that are desperately stabbing for a second chance. It's after he realizes he dropped it; the legs and arms had been on balance/aligned and waiting to get YAC.





Hands on nose of ball.





Routine catch



Body contortion, leg sweep, arm reach, all immediate readjustments post-drop as he falls to ground, causing it look like the pass led him to that off-balance state.



Anyone who thinks the throw was off-line



The real-time view. From this angle it appears that the placement of the ball causes him to go careening off balance. Easy to misunderstand until seeing the other photos and vids from different angles. But the reason the ball goes flying towards the sidelines -and he appears to lose balance - is because of the drop and subsequent volleyball punch effect from his bouncing off his closed together hands on the nose of the ball.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

When you see the multiple angles of the play (just type in Welker drop gif), especially not the broadcast angle, but the ones from the sideline cameras, it gives a very different perspective on the play.

The pass is borderline perfect, so much so that Welker whipping motion is to immediately grab it and continue to running for extra yardage.

The milisecond he drops it, he sweeps his leg and falls down in an awkward motion. The ball comes out to the side because his hands hit the nose of the ball. It’s a routine catch that looks awkward due to the post-drop contortions that mislead you into thinking he was off-balance - due to adjusting - all along.



Watch when the leg sweep happens. It's after he realizes he dropped it; the leg had been on balance and waiting to get YAC.

Hands on nose of ball.

Routine catch

Body contortion, leg sweep, and fall to ground in milisecond he is trying to bobble catch, causing it look like the pass led him to that off-balance state.

Anyone who thinks the throw was off-line

The real-time view. From this angle it appears that the placement of the ball causes him to go careening off balance. Easy to misunderstand until seeing the other photos and vids from different angles. But the reason the ball goes flying towards the sidelines -and he appears to lose balance - is because of the drop and subsequent volleyball punch effect from his bouncing off his closed together hands on the nose of the ball.

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He made 50+ catches in his career harder than that. He makes that catch 9 times of 10.

bormio said:

He made 50+ catches in his career harder than that. He makes that catch 9 times of 10.

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It was a routine catch.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

It was a routine catch.

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It wasn’t easy as pie. But the ball was well-thrown, away from inside coverage. He should have made the catch and everyone knows it.

bormio said:

It wasn’t easy as pie. But the ball was well-thrown, away from inside coverage. He should have made the catch and everyone knows it.

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He was twisting by his own decision to gain YAC, which caused him to to concentrate less on his hands. In this situation, securing the ball and keeping the clock ticking was a million times more important. His balance was a non-issue until the ball fell from his hands, at which point he went careening down to try to recover the ball. It was ideal balance and ball placement, up until the split second he dropped it. The slo mo and still photos from other angles show this conclusively.

It was a good throw but the catch is not one Welker “has made 100 times”. He rarely left his feet to make catches, rarely had to reach over his head, rarely had to contort his body in that way. Probably, he never made a catch with all three of those elements as a Patriot. Still, as a professional, pro bowl receiver of footballs, he HAS to make that play.

letekro said:

It was a good throw but the catch is not one Welker “has made 100 times”. He rarely left his feet to make catches, rarely had to reach over his head, rarely had to contort his body in that way. Probably, he never made a catch with all three of those elements as a Patriot. Still, as a professional, pro bowl receiver of footballs, he HAS to make that play.

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I’m not trying to be a know-it-all, but did you read my breakdown? I think the photos clearly prove he in fact did not NEED to contort his body at all. He did not leave his feet either when the ball hit his hands (clear evidence in the photo of the ball just inches away and his feet being planted.). It’s an illusion caused by his immediate reaction to dropping the ball, which was to contort his leg and body towards the bounced ball. The contortion was a decision by him after the drop to try to regain control, not the cause of the drop.

It’s really clear by the photos. Contortion did not cause the drop (see gifs above). Ball placement did not cause the drop (see straight on photo above as well as multiple angles). There is only one thing that stands out as the reason for the drop and the reason for the awkward body rotation. It’s that his hands are on the nose of the ball, causing the ball to not only become dropped, but also ricochet in a different direction. Since the ball bounces hard off his hands and lands hard and off to the side, it appears that the pass itself was off-target, but it wasn’t.