Edelman contract extended

RobertWeathers · May 21, 2019

Bruins29 said:
Why does Wes Welker have to come up in every Julian Edelman thread?

Great f___ing question. Drives me nuts. Who cares?

Maybe the insecure JE11 lovers have nothing else to do.

PatsWSB47 · May 21, 2019

zimmy said:
It's funny how reputations are changed on the finest margins. Edelman had a drop that led to an interception in the AFC Championship game against KC (and a possible fumble on a punt). He also had a number of drops in the Atlanta SB. If the Pats lose both then perhaps he gets the unfair Welker treatment.

I get what you're saying and you'd be right if that were the end of it but his big plays after those essentially erased his mistakes and were key ones in the wins. Welker never got that next level

jah · May 21, 2019

robertweathers said:
Great f___ing question. Drives me nuts. Who cares?

Maybe the insecure JE11 lovers have nothing else to do.

Plot twist: the chip on Edelman's shoulder is so large that he's making these posts himself as some sort of convoluted motivation ploy. That's just the kind of competitor he is, Mike.

Kontradiction · May 21, 2019

zimmy said:
It's funny how reputations are changed on the finest margins. Edelman had a drop that led to an interception in the AFC Championship game against KC (and a possible fumble on a punt). He also had a number of drops in the Atlanta SB. If the Pats lose both then perhaps he gets the unfair Welker treatment.

I would doubt it. See my sig...

Ice_Ice_Brady · May 21, 2019

zimmy said:
It's funny how reputations are changed on the finest margins. Edelman had a drop that led to an interception in the AFC Championship game against KC (and a possible fumble on a punt). He also had a number of drops in the Atlanta SB. If the Pats lose both then perhaps he gets the unfair Welker treatment.

How many memorable big-time, postseason catches can you recall Welker making? I literally recall none.

Edelman - Too many to list.

Amendola - Too many to list.

Brown - Too many to list.

shmessy · May 21, 2019

KontradictioN said:
I would doubt it. See my sig...

Looking at that sig video, I can't help but think that, in the 4 years/3+ months since that hellacious lick Chancellor put on Edelman, Jules has won 3 SB's and a SB MVP and Chancellor (unfortunately) is out of football.

Given where Chancellor and the Seahawks were at that moment, I'm not sure anyone saw those divergent trajectories taking place.

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shmessy · May 21, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
How many memorable big-time, postseason catches can you recall Welker making? I literally recall none.

Edelman - Too many to list.

Amendola - Too many to list.

Brown - Too many to list.

I generally believe that “clutch” play is overrated and just random/small sample size. In that sense, Amendola, Edelman, and Brown weren’t necessarily “clutch.” They were just darn good receivers who brought their best, as they typically did all the time, in the many big games they participated in.

It’s more than just a couple of plays that contributes to these reputations. Troy Brown fumbled a punt in 2005/06 at Denver, but no one thinks differently of him. Nor would anyone think differently had the Patriots lost (and you failed to mention in the same game you cited, Edelman beyond redeemed himself with multiple tight window catches in traffic in third down.)

But I also believe some athletes do choke under pressure. They just fail to deliver because the moment becomes too much for them (see: Manning, Peyton.)

I don’t know if Welker is really a choker. I know he played in a slew of big postseason games and didn’t deliver any notable plays that made you jump out of your seat after biting your nails down.

Belichick believes certain players are better with those small margins and pressure situations.

In the meantime, I still don't think he's entirely to blame for that incompletion. Brady shoulders some of it.

Plus, it's interesting to see that Welker's playoff catch rate is noticeably higher than Edelman's (88 on 116 targets 75.9% vs 115 on 175 targets 65.7%).

Edelman just seemed to have come up bigger in the 4th quarters.

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Ice_Ice_Brady · May 21, 2019

shmessy said:
Edelman just seemed to have come up bigger in the 4th quarters.

Edelman, Amendola, Brown, and Gronkowski.

patfanken · May 21, 2019

shmessy said:
Good point.

Love Gronk, no doubt, but the most crucial non-Brady player on the O the past half-decade has proven to be Edelman.

They've won 3 SB's in the past 5 years when he is healthy.

The two they have come up short? 2015 when he was hobbled on a stapled together broken foot and 2017 when he was out with the ACL.

They won in 2016 without Gronk.

Other than #12, Edelman is the most crucial part.

Not sure I can agree with this one Shmess. I'm thinking it was Gronk that helped create the inside space that Julian thrived in, rather than the reverse. But who cares

shmessy · May 21, 2019

patfanken said:
Not sure I can agree with this one Shmess. I'm thinking it was Gronk that helped create the inside space that Julian thrived in, rather than the reverse. But who cares

2016?

Last 5 years:
Healthy Edelman = Ring
No Healthy Edelman = No Ring
They won without Gronk in 2016.

Both great.

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shmessy · May 21, 2019

It takes a special kind of person..........

Biffins · May 21, 2019

shmessy said:
As a football player for the New England Patriots, it is not even close.

But nice lawyerly tactic to narrow it to "slot receiver".

Slot receiver - - arguable.

Edelman has clearly been the better overall receiver, PR, RB, ST and CB (not to mention the 100% QB TD completion rate). He has 3 rings. He caught the winning TD in SB 49, the miracle catch in SB 51, and was the MVP of SB 53.

I don't recall much of what Welker did in his two SB losses (except for one play)

Edelman is one of the 10 greatest Patriots of all time. Welker, though a GREAT player, doesn't make top-20.

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Are you kidding? Welker was the spark in Superbowl 42!

Welker would be SuperBowl 42 MVP if Asante Samuel intercepts that throw, or referee declares Manning to be "in the grasp", or Rodney punches that ball out of the helmet.

Wes Welker has 11 catches for 103 yards in a 14-10 win if any of the above happens, and we're all talking Welker to Canton after his incredible 6 seasons of 672 catches!! including 3 times leading the league.

I love Edelman, but I don't see the need to throw shade at Welker's accomplishments.

Ice_Ice_Brady · May 21, 2019

patfanken said:
Not sure I can agree with this one Shmess. I'm thinking it was Gronk that helped create the inside space that Julian thrived in, rather than the reverse. But who cares

shmessy said:
2016?

Last 5 years:
Healthy Edelman = Ring
No Healthy Edelman = No Ring
They won without Gronk in 2016.

Both great.

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This is a weird debate. On the one hand, Gronkowski is one of absolute greatest offensive players of all-time. It should be a silly question to ask whether or not anyone else is more valuable to Brady.

On the other hand - not just with a stacked team in 2016 - but many times it has seemed like the offense can still move the ball decently without Gronkowski, but they can be completely shut down without Edelman.

I’m pretty sure Brady’s with/without splits are pretty similar with each of them, and they’re striking in the difference in passer rating and PPG.

I’m going with Gronkowski as a much less confident choice than I would have thought logically. My brain just cannot past the absolute game destroyer he was on so many levels. He truly might be, in his prime, the most valuable skill player ever to lace them up. Sure says something about Edelman that this answer doesn’t come obviously from my observation.

maust · May 21, 2019

shmessy said:
It takes a special kind of person..........

Looking at those lists my thought is Tanguay is a bleepin' idiot.
Picking a top 5 from that group (keeping in mind rings, heart & longevity matter as much if not more than raw talent):
Gronkowski
Edelman
Brown
Moss
Welker

Ice_Ice_Brady · May 21, 2019

Biffins said:
Are you kidding? Welker was the spark in Superbowl 42!

Welker would be SuperBowl 42 MVP if Asante Samuel intercepts that throw, or referee declares Manning to be "in the grasp", or Rodney punches that ball out of the helmet.

Wes Welker has 11 catches for 103 yards in a 14-10 win if any of the above happens, and we're all talking Welker to Canton after his incredible 6 seasons of 672 catches!! including 3 times leading the league.

I love Edelman, but I don't see the need to throw shade at Welker's accomplishments.

Is it possible that Welker was just not as effective in critical situations because of limitations outside of his control? I notice in the postseason, in the late dramatic stages of the game, tend to use their most basic plays. It’s essentially a “you know it’s coming, but can you stop it?” This is where Edelman is so good because he has tremendous strength and a much bigger catch radius. Defenses being more physical in the postseason have little effect on him.

Welker, on the other hand, was just never great at catching closely contented balls. He relied on quickness and misdirection much more, and he required more separation (this a ton of YAC.). In the postseason, various unproven factors SEEM to slow down YAC and emphasize winning one-on-one matchups with little separation from the defender. Postseason is known for refs allowing a more physical pass defense.

Maybe Edelman is just extremely well suited for a postseason style of play.

Ice_Ice_Brady · May 21, 2019

maust1013 said:
Looking at those lists my thought is Tanguay is a bleepin' idiot.
Picking a top 5 from that group (keeping in mind rings, heart & longevity matter as much if not more than raw talent):
Gronkowski
Edelman
Brown
Moss
Welker

No Edelman? Lololololol. He’ll go down as either #2 or #3 best player of the dynasty. Heroic moments effing matter!!! Even worse, how could anyone rank Amendola ahead of him? That’s just trolling.

That’s not a knock on Amendola, as he was so money. Very hard to not include him...just not over Edelman. Removing Gronk from the list since he’s a tight end solves that problem.

maust · May 21, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
No Edelman? Lololololol. He’ll go down as either #2 or #3 best player of the dynasty. Heroic moments effing matter!!! Even worse, how could anyone rank Amendola ahead of him? That’s just trolling.

That’s not a knock on Amendola, as he was so money. Very hard to not include him...just not over Edelman. Removing Gronk from the list since he’s a tight end solves that problem.

We shouldn't be letting Curran off the hook for ranking Deion 'Take the Money n Run' Branch over Troy Mr Patriot Brown but leave it to Tanguay to make Tom E look like Einstein in comparison.

bormio · May 21, 2019

The Patriots love to use Edelman early in games and in the 4th quarter of contested games. When they want to set the tone and when they want to close the deal. Edelman has nowhere near the talent of Moss, but on a late 4th quarter drive for the win, I would rather have Edelman than Moss every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

maust · May 21, 2019

bormio said:
The Patriots love to use Edelman early in games and in the 4th quarter of contested games. When they want to set the tone and when they want to close the deal. Edelman has nowhere near the talent of Moss, but on a late 4th quarter drive for the win, I would rather have Edelman than Moss every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

When the rubber needs to meet the road it's a dead tie between Edelman and Gronk with Brown barely a hair's breadth back from them. With a game on the line you'd be hard pressed to do better than those three. Steak over sizzle I'd put them up against any trio from any other team's history.

Ivan · May 21, 2019

Good to see him get paid. Looks like he and Brady will retire together.

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