Thoughts on our QB's

ctpatsfan77 said:

I'm not sure which is worse: the odds the Pats will cut Stidham (they've never cut a fourth-rounder in TC), or the odds that he would pass through waivers.

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I mean it's his decision right? Would he rather be in a PS with a decent salary waiting behind Hoyer who is likely gone next year and the GOAT at the end of his career or on a roster behind who knows who. Either way odds are he isn't playing this year anyway.

patfanken said:

I don't think he'll be gone before camp. I think you need 4 arms early in camp, and to throw in the first couple of preseason games.

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I get what you are saying but I feel people are overestimating how many snaps in camp practice and the PS games there are for your 3rd (and 4th) QB.

In the end it is one of those irrelevant things anyway so as you say.. we will see. Personally i think they are higher on Stidham than they ever were on Etling and accordingly he should receive as many reps as possible.

But than again I am just a fan sitting at home so what do I know.

venecol said:

I mean it's his decision right? Would he rather be in a PS with a decent salary waiting behind Hoyer who is likely gone next year and the GOAT at the end of his career or on a roster behind who knows who. Either way odds are he isn't playing this year anyway.

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It is not his decision at all. If he is claimed then he has to go. You can kindly ask through your agent not to be claimed but thats a courtesy and looking at how important QBs are pretty unlikely to be granted.

luuked said:

It is not his decision at all. If he is claimed then he has to go. You can kindly ask through your agent not to be claimed but thats a courtesy and looking at how important QBs are pretty unlikely to be granted.

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I did not know that. I get it now. Thanks

Brain Hoyer receives a lot of respect around here and I gather that he has earned it.

However someone should break down some the film of his last few starts in San Francisco. Was he *that* bad OR was it the supporting cast?

I suppose if the unexpected happens and Etling and Stidham * both* miraculously beat him out, he could transition to a coaching position.

SammyBlueCat said:

Brain Hoyer receives a lot of respect around here and I gather that he has earned it.

However someone should break down some the film of his last few starts in San Francisco. Was he *that* bad OR was it the supporting cast?

I suppose if the unexpected happens and Etling and Stidham * both* miraculously beat him out, he could transition to a coaching position.

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Make no mistake about it, he was awful in SF

Brady Stidham Etling
Hoyer as ass QB coach that's best case scenario

luuked said:

It is not his decision at all. If he is claimed then he has to go. You can kindly ask through your agent not to be claimed but thats a courtesy and looking at how important QBs are pretty unlikely to be granted.

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It says here a PS player is free to sign with another team. That doesn't sound like he has to. Please clarify.



How it works: NFL Practice Squad rules, eligibility, salary, and more

I’m with Etling to the PS, the other 3 stick. Stidham wouldn’t clear waivers and Etling won’t likely be picked up. Hoyer gives the veteran presence, and might be able to win a few games in a pinch with their running game.

venecol said:

It says here a PS player is free to sign with another team. That doesn't sound like he has to. Please clarify.

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How it works: NFL Practice Squad rules, eligibility, salary, and more

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@luuked
Also this:

venecol said:

@luuked
Also this:

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Once a player is on the PS, they can sign with any team. However, before a player makes it to the PS they can be claimed off waivers

venecol said:

It says here a PS player is free to sign with another team.

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You have it there in your own sentence. Once he is free to sign with another team (i.e. goes unclaimed after he was cut) it becomes a different ball game.

Best Case Scenario: Brady Etling/Stidham

Worst case: Brady Hoyer - With either or both young-guns PS-bound (which would mean BB doesnt think they're too worthy

Venecol is right about PS players. They are UFA's. They can't be "claimed" by another team but other teams can certainly make offers. ("Claims" are made during waivers but if a player is on the PS, he has cleared waivers). There is, however, a restriction that you can sign a PS player of your upcoming opponent.

While a PS player can count against the salary cap, I don't know of any example where they actually did because they would have had to have been in the top-51 of that team's salaries. I can't say 100% for certain it has never happened, just that I sure can't think of anything.

I also don't know of any examples of a player choosing to stay on one team's PS when another team was willing to put him on the 53-man roster. Quite honestly, I doubt such a thing has ever happened but I can't say I know for certain.

Here is the relevant CBA section:

Section 2. Signing With Other Clubs:
(a) Any player under contract to a Club as a Practice Squad player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club at any time during the League Year, to serve as a player on any Club’s Active or Inactive List, and any Club is completely free to negotiate and sign such a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period, except that such player shall not be permitted to sign a Player Contract with another Club to serve as a Practice Squad player while under contract as a Practice Squad player.

XLIX said:

Venecol is right about PS players. They are UFA's. They can't be "claimed" by another team but other teams can certainly make offers. ("Claims" are made during waivers but if a player is on the PS, he has cleared waivers)

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Obviously, but said player has to somehow make it from the expanded camp roster to the PS first. And that point is where he can be claimed by anyone as he has to go through waivers after being cut.

Think Austin Carr and the Saints or KGH and the Eagles.

XLIX said:

While a PS player can count against the salary cap, I don't know of any example where they actually did because they would have had to have been in the top-51 of that team's salaries. I can't say 100% for certain it has never happened, just that I sure can't think of anything.

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The rule of 51 only exists in the offseason.

XLIX said:

Venecol is right about PS players. They are UFA's. They can't be "claimed" by another team but other teams can certainly make offers. ("Claims" are made during waivers but if a player is on the PS, he has cleared waivers)

While a PS player can count against the salary cap, I don't know of any example where they actually did because they would have had to have been in the top-51 of that team's salaries. I can't say 100% for certain it has never happened, just that I sure can't think of anything.

I also don't know of any examples of a player choosing to stay on one team's PS when another team was willing to put him on the 53-man roster. Quite honestly, I doubt such a thing has ever happened but I can't say I know for certain.

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PSs only exist during the regular season when the top 51 rule doesn't apply.

Also the Bills offered Ryan Lewis a spot on their roster a couple years ago, but he chose to stay (they got him anyway last year). You're right that it doesn't happen often, though.

Buffalo Bills attempted to sign New England Patriots' CB off practice squad - newyorkupstate.com

luuked said:

Obviously, but said player has to somehow make it from the expanded camp roster to the PS first. And that point is where he can be claimed by anyone as he has to go through waivers after being cut.

Think Austin Carr and the Saints or KGH and the Eagles.



The rule of 51 only exists in the offseason.

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AlexB said:

PSs only exist during the regular season when the top 51 rule doesn't apply.

Also the Bills offered Ryan Lewis a spot on their roster a couple years ago, but he chose to stay (they got him anyway last year). You're right that it doesn't happen often, though.

Buffalo Bills attempted to sign New England Patriots' CB off practice squad - newyorkupstate.com

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I didn't know that about the 51 man rule... so I stand corrected there. And thank you for the example of a team trying to sign another's PS player. I had no idea that happened.

Ya learn something every day!

luuked said:

Obviously, but said player has to somehow make it from the expanded camp roster to the PS first. And that point is where he can be claimed by anyone as he has to go through waivers after being cut.

Think Austin Carr and the Saints or KGH and the Eagles.



The rule of 51 only exists in the offseason.

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Thanks. Is it possible to stuff him in the 53 initially and then after the PS is established, drop him into the PS from the 53? Or does he still need to go through waivers in that scenario?

venecol said:

Thanks. Is it possible to stuff him in the 53 initially and then after the PS is established, drop him into the PS from the 53? Or does he still need to go through waivers in that scenario?

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Still go through waivers

SammyBlueCat said:

Brain Hoyer receives a lot of respect around here and I gather that he has earned it.

However someone should break down some the film of his last few starts in San Francisco. Was he *that* bad OR was it the supporting cast?

I suppose if the unexpected happens and Etling and Stidham * both* miraculously beat him out, he could transition to a coaching position.

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The way he looked last preseason, it wouldn’t shock me in the slightest if he was beaten out. And if so I hope we gauge Hoyers interests in coaching post playing career. Who better to learn from if you were to break into the coaching ranks.