Patriots 53 man roster post draft

AndyJohnson said:

We will have to agree to disagree. I won’t throw personal insults at you though.

Yes there were 9 during 2017 when I sorted the roster by position Croston was listed without a position.

8 seems to be the norm, 9 the exception and 10 an anomaly. Of course when you are starting the season with injured players on the 53 that can change things.

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Just looking at the specifics of the situation, I don't see us keeping only 8 OL unless either Cajuste or Froholdt looks more ready to play than the average rookie.

To me, the starters are the only locks. Cajuste and Froholdt are almost definitely going to make the team based on their draft status (but I won't be afraid to leave them off my 53 if they look bad). However, I wouldn't trust either to be the primary backup at their respective position. This would mean you also need Veldheer and Karras (or whichever 2 guys you trust most as the tackle and interior backups). That makes 9, unless one of the rookies a vet backup expendable.

Of course, injuries always happen anyway so not really worth arguing about in May.

luuked said:

What ? Never learning how ST is an important unit that sets the tone for the entire team and not some kind of irrelevant group of jokers ? Because that is what happens here. Every year.

And every year during the season we get shown again and again how investing into ST players pays off.

Honestly I like most of your projection. But leaving off Ebner and Slater but keeping some of those PS candidates is remarkably shortsighted.

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Look I am not saying their are reading comprehension issues here...because I am not. If the youngsters can show great athletic fortitude and foresight and play at the highest of ST levels...then I say let them. We don't want any drop off from the current level of high ST play....agreed.

Signed...Remarkably Shortsighted

Sorry Croston but these new fangled names: Cajuste, Froholdt and Veldheer are wunderbar!

updated.

Offense 24

QB - 3 - Brady Hoyer Stidham - No changes here.
WR - 4 - Edelman Harry Dorset Meyers - The 4th WR spot here doesn't matter as Gordon/Thomas will replace him at some point. Also I need to pick an UDFA to make it somewhere on the roster.
RB/FB - 6 - Michel White Harris Develin Bolden Burkhead - I could see potentially trading Burkhead for the right price. I wouldn't give him away for nothing though. Right now I'd rather have him on the field than the 4th WR or 2nd TE.
TE - 2 - Watson LaCrosse - This is a hard spot to project. I'm confident they keep these two but do they keep a 3rd? Hard to say.
OL - 9 - Wynn Thuney Andrews Mason Cannon Veldheer Cajuste Froholdt Karras - They will start the year with 3 players here who've never taken a regular season snap in the NFL. They will carry at least 9 and maybe more. I think the 10th is likely Colston if they carry him.

The more i think about it the more I think considering Gordon/Thomas coming in at some point they may go only 24 here to start.

Defense 25

DT - 4 - Guy Pennel Butler TBD - This could also be an extra DE too though. No one knows what the future holds for this spot yet.
DE - 4 - Bennet Wise Winovich Simon - I know the front 4 looks thin like this but they have played 3 or less DL men a fair amount so it isn't as thin as it looks.
LB - 6 - Hightower Van Noy Roberts Collins Bentley King - I think we see this team put a lot of LBs on the field this year and turn into a true ameba defense. Collins/Robert/Bentley will all see a fair amount of time as I see them going 1-5 on occasion like they did last year. Only with better personnel.
CB - 6 - Gilmore McCourty Jackson Williams Jones Dawson - No change here
S - 5 - McCourty Chung Harmon Brooks Ebner - While this is light on true safeties I think with the CBs depth they have they can cover it up if an injury happens

STs 4 Gost Allen Cardona Slater

BobDigital said:

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Offense 24

QB - 3 - Brady Hoyer Stidham - No changes here.
WR - 4 - Edelman Harry Dorset Meyers - The 4th WR spot here doesn't matter as Gordon/Thomas will replace him at some point. Also I need to pick an UDFA to make it somewhere on the roster.
RB/FB - 6 - Michel White Harris Develin Bolden Burkhead - I could see potentially trading Burkhead for the right price. I wouldn't give him away for nothing though. Right now I'd rather have him on the field than the 4th WR or 2nd TE.
TE - 2 - Watson LaCrosse - This is a hard spot to project. I'm confident they keep these two but do they keep a 3rd? Hard to say.
OL - 9 - Wynn Thuney Andrews Mason Cannon Veldheer Cajuste Froholdt Karras - They will start the year with 3 players here who've never taken a regular season snap in the NFL. They will carry at least 9 and maybe. I think the 10th is likely Colston if they carry him.

The more i think about it the more I think considering Gordon/Thomas coming in at some point they may go only 24 here to start.

Defense 25

DT - 4 - Guy Pennel Butler TBD - This could also be an extra DE too though. No one knows what the future holds for this spot yet.
DE - 4 - Bennet Wise Winovich Simon - I know the front 4 looks thin like this but they have played 3 or less DL men a fair amount so it isn't as thin as it looks.
LB - 6 - Hightower Van Noy Roberts Collins Bentley King - I think we see this team put a lot of LBs on the field this year and turn into a true ameba defense. Collins/Robert/Bentley will all see a fair amount of time as I see them going 1-5 on occasion like they did last year. Only will better personnel.
CB - 6 - Gilmore McCourty Jackson Williams Jones Dawson - No change here
S - 5 - McCourty Chung Harmon Brooks Ebner - While this is light on true safeties I think with the CBs depth they have they can cover it up if an injury happens

STs 4 Gost Allen Cardona Slater

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3 QBs but only 2 TEs? Idts

11 DBs? Too many

Need more on DL

QB - 3
WR - 5
RB/FB - 6
TE - 3
OL - 8
Offense: 25

DL - 9
LB - 5
DB - 8
Defense 22

ST - 3 (Slater, King, Ebner)
K/P - 3

venecol said:

3 QBs but only 2 TEs? Idts

11 DBs? Too many

Need more on DL

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Maybe a trade happens but I don't see anyway we let any of those DBs walk. Also 11 isn't too many. We carried the same most of last year and other years iirc.

As for the lack of DL I honesty don't think it's an issue. I project the pats to run more 3-3 and 2-4 this year. They will mix up their fronts a lot and so won't need as much dl depth.

As for only having 2 TEs I don't see why not. They can easily carry an Izzo or Anderson level player on the PS. No need to get a lot of depth for a spot that isn't solid. I'd rather have another OT out there if they feel they need another blocker.

As for 3 QBs I think it's forced unless this new guy can take Hoyer's spot.

Also not to nitpick but BB didn't pay Brooks his entire salary upfront to cut or trade him.

BATTLE FOR THE LAST 3 ROSTER SPOTS

Obviously, injuries can make this discussion moot. At this point, I am presuming no trades, although it is quite possible that Roberts or Jones or Bulkhead or Dawson could be traded.

Also, for now I have Gordon on suspension and Thomas on PUP. If they contribute, so much the better.

COMPETING FOR THE LAST 3 ROSTER SPOTS
1) all the UDFA's
2) WR Harris
3) WR Berrios
4) WR Patterson
5) OL Karras
6) OL Schwenke
7) OL Croston
8) TE Jenkins
9) TE Izzo
10) TE Anderson
11) DL Cowart
12) DL Kamalu
13) DL Parry
14) DE Rivers
15) DE Davis
16) ST/DL Sam
17) ST Calhoun
18) DB Melifonwu
19) ST/DB Crossen
20) P Bailey
21) DB Webster
22) WR Gordon (we prosume that he will start on SUS)
23) WR Thoms (perhaps starting on PUP)
24) free agent DT
25) free agent ST/LB
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MY 50

OFFENSE (23)
QB (2) T.Brady, J.Stidham
RB (6) S.Michel, J.White, D.Harris, J.Develin, R.Burkhead, B.Bolden
WR (5) J.Edelman, N.Harry, D.Inman, P.Dorsett, M.Slater
TE (2) B.Watson, M.LaCosse
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, J.Veldheer, Y.Cajuste

DEFENSE (24)
DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon
DT (3) L.Guy, M.Pennel, A.Butler
ILB (2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
OLB (4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King
CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.McCourty, J.Williams, J.Jones, D.Dawson
SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks

SPECIALISTS (3)
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona

Total players: 50
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venecol said:

QB - 3
WR - 5
RB/FB - 6
TE - 3
OL - 8
Offense: 25

DL - 9
LB - 5
DB - 8
Defense 22

ST - 3 (Slater, King, Ebner)
K/P - 3

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8 DBs isn't realistic.

SBLIII said:

8 DBs isn't realistic.

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It's really 9 with Ebner but you are right. We carried 11 last year. I think 11 is too many given the quality of the starters. I think there is going to be fierce competition at RB, WR, DB, and LB. Even QB may be between the 2 rookies for PS spot. I don't see how we can afford 3 QBs on the 53 when Brady plays 100% of the snaps.

Revised:

QB - 2
WR - 6
RB/FB - 5
TE - 3
OL - 8
Offense: 24

DL - 10
LB - 6
DB - 10
Defense: 26

K/P - 3

venecol said:

. I don't see how we can afford 3 QBs on the 53 when Brady plays 100% of the snaps.

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Because the third QB would be an investment into not having to pay Hoyer (or someone else) a big sum of money next year. People don't realize how much of a bargain a Hoyer as a backup has been thanks to the 49ers doing us a favor in the JG trade.

We have saved easily at least 3.5-4m APY if not more while getting a backup that already knew the system and whatnot.

How much cap space is a roster spot worth ?

luuked said:

Because the third QB would be an investment into not having to pay Hoyer (or someone else) a big sum of money next year. People don't realize how much of a bargain a Hoyer as a backup has been thanks to the 49ers doing us a favor in the JG trade.

We have saved easily at least 3.5-4m APY if not more while getting a backup that already knew the system and whatnot.

How much cap space is a roster spot worth ?

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He can be in the PS.

venecol said:

He can be in the PS.

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he will get signed away. so no.

SBLIII said:

he will get signed away. so no.

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By who? Nobody took Etling. You can protect him by paying him more to stay once the competition is done. I don't think anybody can say that Stidham will beat out Etling.

venecol said:

By who? Nobody took Etling. You can protect him by paying him more to stay once the competition is done. I don't think anybody can say that Stidham will beat out Etling.

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By 31 other teams who will take a 4th round pick for free. Etling was a 7th rounder who was projected to be undrafted, 2 very different scenarios.

Stidham will be on the 53 man roster in 2019 otherwise they would not have drafted him in the 4th round.

You have at least 2 more DL's than we need on the 53.

venecol said:

It's really 9 with Ebner but you are right. We carried 11 last year. I think 11 is too many given the quality of the starters. I think there is going to be fierce competition at RB, WR, DB, and LB. Even QB may be between the 2 rookies for PS spot. I don't see how we can afford 3 QBs on the 53 when Brady plays 100% of the snaps.

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mgteich said:

You have at least 2 more DL's than we need on the 53.

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We had 11 last year, I show 10.

SBLIII said:

By 31 other teams who will take a 4th round pick for free. Etling was a 7th rounder who was projected to be undrafted, 2 very different scenarios.

Stidham will be on the 53 man roster in 2019 otherwise they would not have drafted him in the 4th round.

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31 other teams don't need a 4th round rookie QB. Certainly not the 6 teams that picked one ahead of him this year or the 5 that picked one last year or the 3 the year before. I thought a PS player had to go to the 53 roster so it's not for free unless you mean as a free draft pick. Why can't we just protect him by paying him more?

I guess we will see. I'm just not convinced he is a lock and Etling is out but maybe you're right.