Thoughts on our QB's

I was kind of interested and wanted to compare the four QBs on our roster, so I looked at their college stats for their senior years.

Brady 11 games, 61% completion, 2217 yards, 16 td's, 6 int.
Hoyer 13 games 51% comp, 2404 yds, 9 tds, 9 int
Etling 13 games 61% comp, 2463 yds, 16 tds, 2 int
Stidham 13 games 60.7 comp, 2794 yds, 18 tds, 5 int

I keep wondering about the QB competition this summer. My guess is they keep three regardless with Brady and Stidham being locks. If Etling beats out Hoyer, then he will be the third, if he doesn't then Hoyer will be the third and Etling will go back to the practice squad.

I know some here have already decided Etling is gone, but I am not so sure.

Brady - Nothing needs to be said.

Hoyer - Most experienced back up we have and also a very good scout team QB. I think he's a lock unless we feel he's getting long in the tooth....

Etling - We will just have to see where he is at in year 2. I don't think he sticks.

Stidham - We have no idea if this kid is good, but IMO...he is competing for Etling's job. I doubt he will be able to push Hoyer off the roster.

Maybe one of Etling/Stidham gets I/R'd Kliff Kingsbury style....

tom brady is very good.

moosekill said:

I was kind of interested and wanted to compare the four QB's on our roster, so I looked at their college stats for their senior years.

Brady 11 games, 61% completion, 2217 yards, 16 td's, 6 int.
Hoyer 13 games 51% comp, 2404 yds, 9 tds, 9 int
Etling 13 games 61% comp, 2463 yds, 16 tds, 2 int
Stidham 13 games 60.7 comp, 2794 yds, 18 tds, 5 int

I keep wondering about the QB competition this summer.

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Did you reach a conclusion? I mean, what’s the point of the comparison?

moosekill said:

If Etling beats out Hoyer, then he will be the third, if he doesn't then Hoyer will be the third and Etling will go back to the practice squad.

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Etling beating Hoyer ? What ?

Etling will be gone before camp. There are only so many snaps to give away to QBs. Difficult to see a scenario how they can portion up the remaining 30-40% between Hoyer (who needs them as primary backup), Stidham (who needs them for development) and Etling (same developmental reason).

Etling to practice squad. The other three on the roster.

luuked said:

Etling beating Hoyer ? What ?

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Don't laugh too hard. It's a pretty well known fact that Hoyer is long in the tooth. I wouldn't cut him loose, but if Etling and Stidham both look good, I'd have a long talk about transitioning Hoyer into a coaching role.

Tom Brady has no chance making this team...is what I told myself as a 17 year old kid in High School in year 2000. 6 rings later.

Crazy how back in those times you couldn’t watch any clips of college players then but could only rely on magazines.

Fast forward to now, Hoyer is the backup QB unless Etling or Stidham have an amazing camp.

moosekill said:

I was kind of interested and wanted to compare the four QB's on our roster, so I looked at their college stats for their senior years.

Brady 11 games, 61% completion, 2217 yards, 16 td's, 6 int.
Hoyer 13 games 51% comp, 2404 yds, 9 tds, 9 int
Etling 13 games 61% comp, 2463 yds, 16 tds, 2 int
Stidham 13 games 60.7 comp, 2794 yds, 18 tds, 5 int

I keep wondering about the QB competition this summer. My guess is they keep three regardless with Brady and Stidham being locks. If Etling beats out Hoyer, then he will be the third, if he doesn't then Hoyer will be the third and Etling will go back to the practice squad.

I know some here have already decided Etling is gone, but I am not so sure.

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QBs doesn’t need an apostrophe

Clonamery said:

Did you reach a conclusion? I mean, what’s the point of the comparison?

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I thought it would be interesting to look and see how they compared. Even though Etling was pretty much universally panned coming out, he certainly put up numbers comparable with both Brady and Stidham, he just didn't look very good doing it. There were a number of articles throughout last season that mentioned how well Etling was doing and mentioned he traveled with the team on a regular basis, very rare for a practice player. Which leads me to believe he certainly has a chance of making the team.

aluminum seats said:

QBs doesn’t need an apostrophe

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Oh drat's sorry.

luuked said:

Etling beating Hoyer ? What ?

Etling will be gone before camp. There are only so many snaps to give away to QBs. Difficult to see a scenario how they can portion up the remaining 30-40% between Hoyer (who needs them as primary backup), Stidham (who needs them for development) and Etling (same developmental reason).

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Gone BEFORE camp? Doubt it.
They like having 4 arms to throw to all those wideouts & backs. And moreso to save on wear & tear on the starter. Now with TFB way over 40 he's on a throw count even more.
The problem is that there are not enough actual plays offense vs defence for a 4th QB. Somebody's gonna be shortchanged and THIS camp it's not gonna be Stidham.
I could honestly see BB waiving Hoyer (whom I've liked) if either Stidham or especially Etling shows that they could game manage in a pinch. Awful lot to ask a rook. Even TFB said that coming to camp year 2 he could see so much more than in the total newness & confusion of year one.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Gone BEFORE camp? Doubt it.
They like having 4 arms to throw to all those wideouts & backs. And moreso to save on wear & tear on the starter. Now with TFB way over 40 he's on a throw count even more.
The problem is that there are not enough actual plays offense vs defence for a 4th QB. Somebody's gonna be shortchanged and THIS camp it's not gonna be Stidham.
I could honestly see BB waiving Hoyer (whom I've liked) if either Stidham or especially Etling shows that they could game manage in a pinch. Awful lot to ask a rook. Even TFB said that coming to camp year 2 he could see so much more than in the total newness & confusion of year one.

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Of course they could keep him around but what good does a total of 5-9 snaps in 7v7 / 11v11 (or even fewer) a day do to Stidham or Etling ? Those real reps are just way too valuable to throw away especially nowadays with all the restrictions during camp and shorter practice times.

And even if Brady takes a few series off now and then the majority of the remaining snaps would go to Hoyer who still is the main backup. 3 QBs seems like the ideal spot once camp starts in terms of hitting the goals for all QBs on the roster (chemistry for Brady, experience with Pats offense for emergency situations for Hoyer and development for Stidham).

I would be absolutely shocked if either Etling or Stidham could make Hoyer expendable this year already. But crazier things have happened I suppose and if any of them can then it bodes well for their ability.

Hyped said:

Brady - Nothing needs to be said.

Hoyer - Most experienced back up we have and also a very good scout team QB. I think he's a lock unless we feel he's getting long in the tooth....

Etling - We will just have to see where he is at in year 2. I don't think he sticks.

Stidham - We have no idea if this kid is good, but IMO...he is competing for Etling's job. I doubt he will be able to push Hoyer off the roster.

Maybe one of Etling/Stidham gets I/R'd Kliff Kingsbury style....

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I agree, its Brady and Hoyer on the 53 and the rooks fight it out for PS spot. We can't afford 3 QBs on the roster to just sit there and have no snaps. We need that spot for an extra RB (now that Bolden is back) or WR to replace Gronk.

moosekill said:

I thought it would be interesting to look and see how they compared. Even though Etling was pretty much universally panned coming out, he certainly put up numbers comparable with both Brady and Stidham, he just didn't look very good doing it. There were a number of articles throughout last season that mentioned how well Etling was doing and mentioned he traveled with the team on a regular basis, very rare for a practice player. Which leads me to believe he certainly has a chance of making the team.

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It is surprising how close Brady's, Etling's. and Stidham's senior numbers are. Hoyer stands out as the weakest. Another indication of stats not telling the whole story.

Simpelton said:

Don't laugh too hard. It's a pretty well known fact that Hoyer is long in the tooth. I wouldn't cut him loose, but if Etling and Stidham both look good, I'd have a long talk about transitioning Hoyer into a coaching role.

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What does that make Brady, then?

venecol said:

I agree, its Brady and Hoyer on the 53 and the rooks fight it out for PS spot. We can't afford 3 QBs on the roster to just sit there and have no snaps. We need that spot for an extra RB (now that Bolden is back) or WR to replace Gronk.

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I'm not sure which is worse: the odds the Pats will cut Stidham (they've never cut a fourth-rounder in TC), or the odds that he would pass through waivers.

Simpelton said:

Don't laugh too hard. It's a pretty well known fact that Hoyer is long in the tooth. I wouldn't cut him loose, but if Etling and Stidham both look good, I'd have a long talk about transitioning Hoyer into a coaching role.

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This is what I've been saying

luuked said:

Etling beating Hoyer ? What ?

Etling will be gone before camp. There are only so many snaps to give away to QBs. Difficult to see a scenario how they can portion up the remaining 30-40% between Hoyer (who needs them as primary backup), Stidham (who needs them for development) and Etling (same developmental reason).

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I don't think he'll be gone before camp. I think you need 4 arms early in camp, and to throw in the first couple of preseason games.

After that, I'm guessing your observation will be correct. As the camp winds down, Brady will be getting more and more of the reps and more and more of the drill will be 7-7 and full team drills. THAT's when he'll go.

What will be more interesting will be if the Pats will keep 3 QB's or 2. I'm thinking the former, since I don't see Stidham being up to speed in the offense for several months, and Hoyer is good enough to win a couple of game IF Brady has a sh0rt term injury (2-4 games).

Stidham was a sure first round pick if he'd had come out after a great year. He slipped to us at 4 because it was perceived he fell off precipitously. I've heard all the excuses. Some make sense.....to a degree. But the physical qualities of the year before are still there. Big arm, quick release, quick feet.

JG was not ready to play in HIS first year. Christ, neither was Brady. In an ideal world Stidham would be our PS QB and get his reps there, but I think someone with more roster spots would grab him if we went that route.