2018-19 Stanley Cup - Bruins vs Blues

fair catch fryar · May 18, 2019

XLIX said:
For someone who doesn’t care, you sure gave me a pretty long winded reply. And then followed it up with *another* reply. You’re obviously quite sore about the subject.
This is a phenomenally ignorant statement, so much so that I couldn’t ignore it.

He’s a dirty player. There is nothing about wearing the black and gold which elevates his virtue above and beyond all.

You call something I said "phenomenally ignorant" and fail to explain why. That right there, is the encyclopedic definition of ignorance.

fair catch fryar · May 18, 2019

Ivan said:
You apparently don’t watch much hockey, otherwise you would realize that every team has a Marchand style player, similar in a way to the way teams used to have a Sean Thornton etc... Marchand is chippy, and sometimes he crosses the line, but that’s very common in the NHL. And Toronto fans have absolutely no business crying about the Bruins when it’s Kadri who has gotten the major suspensions in the playoffs the past couple of years.

This guy can't seem to wrap his head around the point of this post or similar ones that every team in the NHL has and ALWAYS has had a player or two on their team specifically there to instigate and irritate. The thing that makes Marchand stand out above the rest is that he is multi-dimensional because he is talented and plays the game on both ends of the ice as good as anyone in the league.

maust · May 18, 2019

The Marchand as pest convo is going down the rabbit hole, lol. It's true most teams have an irritating player who puts in no small effort to annoy opponents in an effort to knock them off their game and hopefully draw penalties, those efforts often cross the line. Marchand is an instigator of the first order and does plenty of crap he shouldn't, if he played for Toronto we'd want his head on a stick. I'm not about to deny it. What I will deny is he's leading the game back to the "Dark Ages" since that is preposterous, we aren't talking about a Sean Avery, Tom Wilson or even a Nazem Kadri here. TBH I'd just as soon he take it down a few notches, he is far too valuable a player to be in the sin bin or worse, suspended. And therein lies the rub, Marchand draws attention beyond what the level of his antics should due to his visibility and largely unapologetic demeanor. Marchand is only marginally more dirty than Sydney Crysby (who the league has had knee pads on for since he was in Juniors) but he embraces it rather than pretending he is a choirboy. Outside of Crysby refs also generally allow opponents to take more liberties with instigators, a consequential fact of hockey life that Marchy has brought on himself.

Going back to the big bad days , the other teams goon was always a dirtbag and yours a hero. That's carried over to today's pests. Marchy may be a rat but he's our rat, I can love the guys ability but still recognize that as he has developed there are parts of his (ahem) game that don't fit his skill level and I wish he was capable of leaving them behind. I just refuse to accept anything that lumps him in with the dirtbags, he isn't out there trying to behead anyone like an Avery, Kadri or Wilson.

Drewski · May 18, 2019

maust1013 said:
The Marchand as pest convo is going down the rabbit hole, lol. It's true most teams have an irritating player who puts in no small effort to annoy opponents in an effort to knock them off their game and hopefully draw penalties, those efforts often cross the line. Marchand is an instigator of the first order and does plenty of crap he shouldn't, if he played for Toronto we'd want his head on a stick. I'm not about to deny it. What I will deny is he's leading the game back to the "Dark Ages" since that is preposterous, we aren't talking about a Sean Avery, Tom Wilson or even a Nazem Kadri here. TBH I'd just as soon he take it down a few notches, he is far too valuable a player to be in the sin bin or worse, suspended. And therein lies the rub, Marchand draws attention beyond what the level of his antics should due to his visibility and largely unapologetic demeanor. Marchand is only marginally more dirty than Sydney Crysby (who the league has had knee pads on for since he was in Juniors) but he embraces it rather than pretending he is a choirboy. Outside of Crysby refs also generally allow opponents to take more liberties with instigators, a consequential fact of hockey life that Marchy has brought on himself.

Going back to the big bad days , the other teams goon was always a dirtbag and yours a hero. That's carried over to today's pests. Marchy may be a rat but he's our rat, I can love the guys ability but still recognize that as he has developed there are parts of his (ahem) game that don't fit his skill level and I wish he was capable of leaving them behind. I just refuse to accept anything that lumps him in with the dirtbags, he isn't out there trying to behead anyone like an Avery, Kadri or Wilson.

Bingo.

Nuance is being labelled homerism.

maust · May 18, 2019

XLIX said:
I watch a lot of hockey, but I’ve never seen another player punch a guy when he’s already down and facing the opposite direction.

I'm not excuse making for Marchand (multiple wrongs don't make a single right) but if you haven't seen other players doing things like that it's simply a matter of paying more attention to them or less to Marchand. I've seen Sidney Crosby not only throw punches from behind with the player on the receiving end engaged with someone else, I've also see him take a from behind nut shot at a guy someone else had bent over.

Drewski · May 18, 2019

maust1013 said:
I'm not excuse making for Marchand (multiple wrongs don't make a single right) but if you haven't seen other players doing things like that it's simply a matter of paying more attention to them or less to Marchand. I've seen Sidney Crosby not only throw punches from behind with the player on the receiving end engaged with someone else, I've also see him take a from behind nut shot at a guy someone else had bent over.

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ALP · May 18, 2019

maust1013 said:
I'm not excuse making for Marchand (multiple wrongs don't make a single right) but if you haven't seen other players doing things like that it's simply a matter of paying more attention to them or less to Marchand. I've seen Sidney Crosby not only throw punches from behind with the player on the receiving end engaged with someone else, I've also see him take a from behind nut shot at a guy someone else had bent over.

great, now XLIX can stfu

Ras-IR Dowling · May 18, 2019

Triumph said:
Blues beat St Jose in 7.

Blues vs Boston for the cup.

Bruins come out slow after the long vacation, but Boston brings the cup home in 7.

You know what if you asked me before the season this is how it would turn out I’d take it no questions asked.

Mack Herron · May 18, 2019

Ivan · May 18, 2019

XLIX said:
I watch a lot of hockey, but I’ve never seen another player punch a guy when he’s already down and facing the opposite direction.

If every team has such a player, then please provide a recent example of other players doing this.

It never ceases to amaze me how much some people completely lose touch with reality because of the laundry a player wears. Seriously, it’s ok to admit that your team has a dirty player on it. It doesn’t make you less moral of a human being.

I never said Marchand was clean. I said every team has players like him, and if you saw Brooks Korpik knee Marchand in the head as he was getting up off the ice in Pittsburgh, or the elbow to Backes head in the Columbus series, or the shot by Kadri on DeBrusk in the Toronto series you would realize this sh.t goes in all the time, and by every team. If you can’t deal with it then don’t watch. Marchand can be filthy at times but he’s far from being alone, and in hockey there has to be some payback or team’s will do it without any consequences. The fighting may have been largely curtailed but cheap shots happen in every game by every team.

Brewskies · May 18, 2019

fair catch Fryar said:
This guy can't seem to wrap his head around the point of this post or similar ones that every team in the NHL has and ALWAYS has had a player or two on their team specifically there to instigate and irritate. The thing that makes Marchand stand out above the rest is that he is multi-dimensional because he is talented and plays the game on both ends of the ice as good as anyone in the league.

1995 Stanley Cup winner NJ Devils beat Detriot in 4, a sweep. Claude Lemieux was called "Mr. Hockey" during that entire Cup playoffs for scoring the most goals in the playoffs and being the biggest antagonist. He came to the Devils from the Canadians where he did the same thing and won a cup. Claude was traded and rehired to get into the playoffs with the Devils and he did it again, won a Cup. I remember when he punched an opposing player while that player was on the bench. Claude was known for his playoff toughness. There are many others like him.

Ras-IR Dowling · May 18, 2019

Brewskies said:
1995 Stanley Cup winner NJ Devils beat Detriot in 4, a sweep. Claude Lemieux was called "Mr. Hockey" during that entire Cup playoffs for scoring the most goals in the playoffs and being the biggest antagonist. He came to the Devils from the Canadians where he did the same thing and won a cup. Claude was traded and rehired to get into the playoffs with the Devils and he did it again, won a Cup. I remember when he punched an opposing player while that player was on the bench. Claude was known for his playoff toughness. There are many others like him.

I know him for rearranging kris drapers face in one of most bushleague hits I’ve ever seen.

And then turtling up like the b*tch that he was when Darren McCarty came for retribution.

chris_in_sunnyvale · May 18, 2019

Ras-IR Dowling said:
I know him for rearranging kris drapers face in one of most bushleague hits I’ve ever seen.

And then turtling up like the b*tch that he was when Darren McCarty came for retribution.

"I cant believe I shook that guy's freaking hand." - Dino Ciccarelli

Yeah, I put Claude in the Raffi Torres category rather than the Marchand category.

Regards,
Chris

fair catch fryar · May 18, 2019

Brewskies said:
1995 Stanley Cup winner NJ Devils beat Detriot in 4, a sweep. Claude Lemieux was called "Mr. Hockey" during that entire Cup playoffs for scoring the most goals in the playoffs and being the biggest antagonist. He came to the Devils from the Canadians where he did the same thing and won a cup. Claude was traded and rehired to get into the playoffs with the Devils and he did it again, won a Cup. I remember when he punched an opposing player while that player was on the bench. Claude was known for his playoff toughness. There are many others like him.

EXACTLY! Claude Lemieux was one of the players I hated the most, but wished he was on the Bruins. I used to scream at the TV because of Claude when he played for the Canadiens.

Brewskies · May 18, 2019

Ras-IR Dowling said:
I know him for rearranging kris drapers face in one of most bushleague hits I’ve ever seen.

And then turtling up like the b*tch that he was when Darren McCarty came for retribution.

chris_in_sunnyvale said:
"I cant believe I shook that guy's freaking hand." - Dino Ciccarelli

Yeah, I put Claude in the Raffi Torres category rather than the Marchand category.

Regards,
Chris

He scored a lot of goals in the Cup playoffs many won the game.

chris_in_sunnyvale · May 18, 2019

Brewskies said:
He scored a lot of goals in the Cup playoffs many won the game.

I remember. Still doesn't change my opinion of the guy. Like Torres, Claude also spent a brief time in SJ and I wasn't thrilled. We all draw the line differently between pest and menace. Marchand hasn't crossed my line from the former into the latter. YMMV.

Regards,
Chris

Patriot Missile · May 18, 2019

fair catch fryar said:
EXACTLY! Claude Lemieux was one of the players I hated the most, but wished he was on the Bruins. I used to scream at the TV because of Claude when he played for the Canadiens.

Guy was in the right place at the right time so often.

As dirty as he was, he sure did get into a lot players and fans heads. Still, played on the most boring team in the league that put a bad brand of hockey out there for a lot of years afterwards. To me, the trap set the game back 20 years as far as popularity. It’s still used plenty today, but just not as prevalant.

maust · May 18, 2019

Claude 'Turtle Boy' Lemieux

RobertWeathers · May 18, 2019

maust1013 said:
Claude 'Turtle Boy' Lemieux

Watching Cam Neely fights on YouTube warms my heart....

fair catch fryar · May 18, 2019

robertweathers said:
Watching Cam Neely fights on YouTube warms my heart....

Wait until XLIX sees this...he'll be so offended by the way Neeley played the game and blame him for setting the NHL back 30-40 years.

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