Patriots getting the band back together, sign Jamie Collins

italian pat patriot · May 15, 2019

I am surprised honestly as i did not expected it...

fnordcircle · May 15, 2019

gobesmug said:
Seems like an agent leak to get whatever team his agent is negotiating with a better contract.

To me this has all of the 'feel' of a it is definitely going to happen deal. It just feels too familiar on a gut level and I can't say why.

But I'd bet quite a bit that Collins is wearing a Pats' jersey this year.

50-yard-line · May 15, 2019

luuked said:
And worse in coverage than anyone on the Pats as well. He will not replace HT or KVN. And most probably he'd also not Bentley given the difference in projected contracts (1 year vet deal vs. 4 year rookie deal) and age.

Not much space left.

I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if the Pats get him nearly as cheap as some folks here seem to think. Collins also had the second most snaps on the Browns last year. He's the top-rated linebacker remaining, and most lists now have him in the top 3-4 best FA's left on the market.

We'll know soon, probably - if the rumors are even true.

SammyBlueCat · May 15, 2019

Some are concerned with Jerrod Mayo's opinion.

Some are concerned with Bill Belichick's opinion.

You need to have Sammy the Blue Cat's opinion...

Does Jamie Collins possess Cat like quickness???

festy1986 · May 15, 2019

Bill will hire anyone if he thinks theres value. Not surprising at all here.

Deus Irae · May 15, 2019

A Defiant Goose said:
Because at the time he was traded I did not think he was weak at the point of attack, found him to be good in coverage, and most of his inconsistencies (free-roaming mostly) seemed be coachable things. In hindsight after everyone did their typical "Well of course we traded him, he sucked!" routine we typically do after surprising moves, I wasn't as baffled anymore but let's not act like it didn't surprise a lot of us.

ETA: Our depth at the time after cutting him was also something I distinctly remember being worried about

Go look at my posting history about Collins, rather than trying to lump me in with "everyone".

Beyond that, he was always weak at the point of attack, and always inconsistent with both effort and coverage.

jah · May 15, 2019

One thought I just had, and I acknowledge it might be too far out there to be realistic: what if we played Collins primarily on the edge, perhaps in packages where the pass rushers are standing? It would at the very least mask the coverage deficiency. We have a much bigger need on the edge than at ILB right now.

If we moved Collins to edge rusher and it worked out, that would make the Chung comparison perfect. Perhaps the second chance is because the staff felt they could deploy him in a smarter way this time.

The obvious downside is that he's almost 30 and hasn't ever really played the position full time. Another con might be his propensity for freelancing could get him destroyed on the edge on running plays. But it could be worth a shot.

patfanken · May 15, 2019

luuked said:
And worse in coverage than anyone on the Pats as well. He will not replace HT or KVN. And most probably he'd also not Bentley given the difference in projected contracts (1 year vet deal vs. 4 year rookie deal) and age.

Not much space left.

This will be a one year deal for him, assuming Bentley develops as expected, though I don't see Bentley being even remotely similar to Collins. He's back because its a good business move. I'm guessing a one year deal, maybe as much as $2MM guaranteed, and another 4 or 5 in incentives. A typical," have a great year with the Pats and go make your money elsewhere " deal

Patstopia · May 15, 2019

As the late Doris Day would sing;
Que será, será
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que será, será

RobertWeathers · May 15, 2019

Elijah said:
One thought I just had, and I acknowledge it might be too far out there to be realistic: what if we played Collins primarily on the edge, perhaps in packages where the pass rushers are standing? It would at the very least mask the coverage deficiency. We have a much bigger need on the edge than at ILB right now.

If we moved Collins to edge rusher and it worked out, that would make the Chung comparison perfect. Perhaps the second chance is because the staff felt they could deploy him in a smarter way this time.

The obvious downside is that he's almost 30 and hasn't ever really played the position full time. Another con might be his propensity for freelancing could get him destroyed on the edge on running plays. But it could be worth a shot.

Good thoughts.

I think they'll move him back to weakside and some MLB.

I don't see him playing on the edge here as I think KVN is a better choice.

captain insano · May 15, 2019

Tuck said:
Hightower is about the same age.

ok? the question still remains. has he got anything left?

A Defiant Goose · May 15, 2019

Deus Irae said:
Go look at my posting history about Collins, rather than trying to lump me in with "everyone".

Nah

Deus Irae said:
Beyond that, he was always weak at the point of attack, and always inconsistent with both effort and coverage.

I disagree but appreciate your insight

RobertWeathers · May 15, 2019

captain insano said:
ok? the question still remains. has he got anything left?

IMO he absolutely has physical ability to contribute. That is not the issue.

The issue is his willingness to play at 100% and execute the game plan.

Joey007 · May 15, 2019

Oh hell yeah.

Definitely reminds me of when we briefly reunited with Spikes after his stint in Buffalo. Hopefully this would work out better.

Patjew · May 15, 2019

One reason that Chung improved the second time around is that he was put in a better position to succeed, pun intended. Maybe it will be the same way with Collins.

PatsFan2 · May 15, 2019

Blasphemy!

RobertWeathers · May 15, 2019

Joey007 said:
Oh hell yeah.

Definitely reminds me of when we briefly reunited with Spikes after his stint in Buffalo. Hopefully this would work out better.

It can't get any worse.

TommyD4207 · May 15, 2019

PatsWickedPissah said:
I have this gif of his wheel route mis-coverage vs SeaHags in the SB burned into my psyche.
Your post goes a long way to allaying my concerns about Collins given what he's competing for.

I see your Super Bowl Wheel Route and raise you Owen Daniels...twice.

RobertWeathers · May 15, 2019

Patjew said:
One reason that Chung improved the second time around is that he was put in a better position to succeed, pun intended. Maybe it will be the same way with Collins.

Sure but Jamie's issue wasn't positional misuse. He was looking to get paid and tried to be Superman every snap.

Now that he has $30m in the bank, he either will be headstrong and think his way is still best (if so, he'll be cut)and try to get his dollars up or decide to accept his role and be part of a champion.

PatsFan2 · May 15, 2019

BB would NEVER bring back that can't Tackle freelancer was the talk by most of the Experts around here.

That said I always like Jamie and is not opposed who would you rather have Jamie or Rivers?? I would take Jamie 24/7.

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