NBA Draft - Trades - Free Agents

betterthanthealternative said:

Ainge and Stevens have a problem they couldn't have anticipated at the beginning of the year - us. The hard core Boston pro sports fans are disgusted by this, and it isn't the results, it is the effort and the attitude. An average team that plays its heart out will get far more support from Boston fans than a good team with even average effort. This is a good team (individual talent) that refused to make the sacrifices to become a good team (as a team). They've lost us.

Ainge has to rebuild the team from the heart out, not just replace a player or two.

Just like the Pats prioritize college team captains, in this draft I'd like for the Celtics to prioritize the remarkable attitude shown by players such as Edwards from Purdue and the kids from UVa. I know, I know, they draft for talent, so I'm being naive. But a guy can hope.

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TommyD4207 said:

It's this, and I'm not sure why there's a large segment of people overlooking the obvious.

Ainge acquires the best talent he possibly can for the team. That's a pretty undeniable fact. It is then the job of the head coach and the assistants to put the players in the best position to win.

That's on Brad "27-28 Playoff Record" Stevens. That's not on Ainge.

Kyrie's a nutjob, everyone knows he's a nutjob, but it's not like he's out going all Chiefs and beating up his girlfriend or something.

It was the job of Stevens to set the rotations. It was the job of Stevens to not run Hayward out there 30 minutes a night, when it was clear he didn't have it. It was the job of Stevens to not have Terry Rozier be the 9th man off the bench. It was the job of Brad Stevens to have an offense designed to the talent he had on the team. It was the job of Brad Stevens to make sure Jaylen Brown got the playing time he needed in order to settle in to the rotation (which he did far, far too late in the season). It was the job of Brad Stevens to pull Jayson Tatum aside, and work on his game, his confidence, to get him back to the level he was a year ago. A regression that bad is entirely the fault of the coach. It was the job of Brad Stevens to not put Guerchon Mother****ing Yabusele on Giannis Antetokounmpo during crucial minutes of a playoff game.

It's Danny Ainge's job to hold him accountable for that, and we'll see what he comes up with.

Kyrie's a dink, but he's not a bad player. Everyone feels bad for Hayward, but with few exceptions, he stole money from the Celtics this year. Jayson Tatum pulled a Bethel Johnson-level regression. Terry Rozier won't be within 500 miles of Boston next year. Neither will Kyrie in all likelihood. So we're going to run out Brown, Hayward, Smart, Tatum and Horford next year? That team's got no shot at a title.

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KontradictioN said:

Ehhhhh... Ainge isn’t without blame here either. I mean at this point, would you automatically dismiss an argument that he may have blown the golden opportunity that presented itself when the Nets allowed themselves to be raped? I know I wouldn’t. I’d listen to that argument carefully. But yes, a lot of this is on Stevens. As an outside observer, I’m shocked at the outright indifference this C’s team displayed this season. They were clearly unmotivated and didn’t care. That’s on the coach.

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IllegalContact said:

thing is, I don't believe Irving was part of the original plan, but when the opportunity presented itself, at that moment, you had to make that deal and alter your plan......last year's team was more like what it was supposed to be, and those pieces are still here

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Boston Boxer said:

Kyrie is a great player

Kyrie is not a good fit with this Celtics team. If Danny sells the farm for AD and Kyrie signs with us, then will this be a better team? I dont think so. I would much rather let Kyrie walk and go ruin another team. I would give Rozier the PG job because he is hungry and has a chip on his shoulder. He is a better PG for this current team...fast, can penetrate, looks to set up his teammates etc.

Just my opinion but if Kyrie is on this team next year, i doubt i watch. that's how much i hate this player.

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IllegalContact said:

thing is, I don't believe Irving was part of the original plan, but when the opportunity presented itself, at that moment, you had to make that deal and alter your plan......last year's team was more like what it was supposed to be, and those pieces are still here

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PatsFan2 said:

The Celtics built a new Catholic Church in Milwaukee last night what a bunch of brick layers. Absolute embarrassment they might have a bunch of overrated players. Seems like the height of Milwaukee bothered them. Tatum really surprised me how averaged he played thought he was ready to make the next step he ain't there yet. Kyrie chocked big time he played like Russell Westbrook regular season stud playoff dud. I would go after Kemba Walker he might fit more with what Stevens want to do and he can shoot it very well. The Celts need a lot of luck in 2020 they are some East Teams that are going to be even better next season.

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turkeyneck said:

I agree with this. In retrospect, Danny should have passed on the shiny object and stuck with the plan. I'd guess that Danny thinks so too.

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KontradictioN said:

I think they’ll let Irving walk to New York and try to retool the team around Tatum. You can’t be inspired with what you’ve seen out of the team motivation-wise this year, though.

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YOUGOTMOSSED said:

What are the salary cap implications if Kyrie walks and we want to keep Tatum and Brown long term?

It seems that the choices are a long, slow rebuild or resigning Kyrie and hoping this team gets its act together.

At this point, I honestly don't know which is better.

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PatsFan2 said:

Need to see another year of Brown to determine how good he can be his game is pretty much the same same from last year so he might be what he currently is. To me not a Max contract player let somebody else pay him if they are no more improvements. One good thing for the Celtics Average 26 Mill dollar can't Rebound Al have one more year on the books.

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SBLIII said:

The Celtics have managed the cap very poorly. They are paying big money to average Joes and are limited in what they can do for the next 2 years. The Hayward thing was bad luck but still he was a limited player before that and you have him on a 30 million caphit now for 2 more years, Just have to eat that.

Smart 13 million caphit for a hustle player? Questionable. But ok it's a better contract than Hayward.

Horford will probably pick up his option and be an UFA in 2020.



Boston needs a superstar and they need future cap flexibility to acquire another one.

- Kyrie isn't one so you let him walk
- Horford will play out his player option, you let him walk in 2020
- Hayward is untradeable you let him walk in 2021

So you are somewhat limited in what you can do for the next 2 years.

It all starts with getting a superstar though. So unless you think that Tatum is going to be that guy longterm you try everything in your power to acquire Anthony Davis regardless what assets they want.

Then you build around Davis without committing big money to average players. When Hayward comes off the books in 2021 you have the cap to sign a superstar like Giannis, who well, becomes a FA in 2021.

Because the way the roster is constructed right now, is not going anywhere.

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YOUGOTMOSSED said:

I've heard the idea floated of signing and trading Kyrie for D'Angelo Russell. I don't know how the cap numbers would work but the idea is that Russell may gel better with our rising stars than Kyrie did.

The elephant in the room is Gordon Hayward. Not sure if his problem is physical or mental but if it's not fixed soon, we're screwed.

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40yrpatsfan said:

Negatives:
- Tatum
- Kyrie
- Haywood

Positives:
- Smart
- Morris
- Horford
- Brown
- Baynes
- Robert Williams

Not sure:
- Rozier
- Stevens

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