why you know that the Apocalypse is upon us.....

betterthanthealternative said:

I'm sure BPA is a significant factor in the Pats' draft decisions. But c'mon, in this draft, if a WR was #2 and another player in a position that was well stocked on the roster was #1, I have to think they would have drafted the #2 player.

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Depends. I think Bruschi has it right when he said they really look at filling roles instead of filling positions, and I think the Harry pick is a really good example of this idea. While we are all looking at how to replace Gronk at TE, they are actually looking at how they replace the go to routes from Brady to Gronk. Harry obviously isn’t a TE but they can use him in both the slot and outside to run the same routes Gronk ran for Brady, especially those that became their go to routes when game’s and season’s are on the line. They can get the blocking they need out of their TE’s and gave Brady the routes he needs available to him. So while we slot by position they look at the roles they can fill, and those are very different things.

Ivan said:

And in this case I think he saw the ability for Harry to contribute immediately, and while he’s never going to block like Gronk, he could actually give Brady all those routes he looked to Gronk for, That’s big value and well worth the first.

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Bingo. The skills/need to value ratio is potentially huge in light of the WR market and the ability to have cost certainty for up to 5 years.

Whenever the Pats don't draft something I thought they needed, it's good news of a sort. Bill knows better than I (of course) that somebody already on the roster will actually be good next year!

NashuaPats said:

I don't hear as many people calling the Pats cheaters lately which is great. It seems they're finally getting their due credit.

I don't agree with us not needing a RB. We had Patterson playing as the main RB in a couple of games last year. It was definitely a position of need.

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Having Kamara and Ingram was what helped make the Saints offense such a force to be reckoned with. They could pummel you on the ground or thru the air. I see a similar situation with our RBs now, many had Damien Harris as the 2nd best RB in the draft and we got him in the 3rd round

A lot of people complained that Sony Michel was a huge risk because of his knee and questionable longevity, well this pairs him with another outstanding RB to share the load, along with our veterans sprinkled in with White, Burkhead etc

It only took winning six Super Bowls for the mediots to realize that maybe BB knows a thing or two about drafting and building teams.

VrabelJr said:

It only took winning six Super Bowls for the mediots to realize that maybe BB knows a thing or two about drafting and building teams.

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it still seems that everyone thinks that BB sucks at drafting

Silver Blue&Red said:

You hit it on the head "in Bill we trust".

It just works.

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Doesn’t mean he’s above criticism, especially when it comes to the poor drafts the past 5 or so seasons. Even though some people on here do act like he’s never made a mistake.

That said, I love what we did in this draft.

The jets fans say it’s black magic

SBLIII said:

it still seems that everyone thinks that BB sucks at drafting

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The typical, fool-proof formula for second guessing nowadays is:

A) If a pick doesn't work out. BB sucks at drafting.

B) If a pick does work out, BB sucks at drafting, but is a good enough coach to make up for it.

The beauty of this strategy, is it is literally impossible to argue against point B without tacitly stating that BB isn't actually that good of a coach.

varjao said:

I don't really get , this was a classic Belichickian draft, without the reaches on the 2nd round and injury red flags in the 1st, in other words, a good/safe draft, since he usually doesn't mess up on rounds 1, 3 and 4.

Also, BB doesn't draft by need, he drafts by value and value for BB probably means a complex equation in which need is one of the components, but not a major one.

He took players with an eye 2 years down the road.

He took players with good out of the field behavior and that love the game and love watch film.

The offensive players all fit the system they are running, transitioning a bit for a more talented back field.

I was a bit pissed when he took the CB in the 2nd round, but that lasted 5 minutes. It was a good player, that had 1st round grade in many mocks, a player that seems to be bust proof (you never know), good size, athleticism.

I don't get the love for all those 3rd and 4th rounds TE's, nothing different from any other year. After Hockenson and Fant there was a huge dropoff and even those players, you gotta ask if N'keal Harry wasn't the best choice for our offense even if all of them were to be available for the Patriots.

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Same initial reaction when I saw we drafted a cb. Just pictured the summary reading something like, " 5'9" db from Rutgers, lacks athletecism but is a good leader on the field" lol.

SBLIII said:

it still seems that everyone thinks that BB sucks at drafting

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Isn't...

...Throwing away #101 to move up to #45 in order to draft JoeSlo;
...Choosing yet another RB instead of TE Dawson Knox at #87;
...Choosing the 31-1/4"(!?!)-armed Kris Kringle instead of a Real prospect, Mike Jordan, at #118;
...Choosing the next Kevin O'Connell at #134;
...Throwing away #239 to move up to 159 in order to draft a DLman NOT named Charles Omenihu or Joe Jackson;
...and Throwing away #246 to move up to 163 in order to draft A FECKIN PUNTER

...proof enough?

luuked said:

Yep. The guy who actually spent time with the greatest coaches of all time, did more scouting for them than most of the modern armchair internet draftniks ever did on their cute little podcasts/twitter accounts and was an instrumental part of coming up with the general philosophy that BB still follows when it comes to drafting.

You can make fun of the guy all you want but he has the respect of the greatest coach and team builder of all time to the point where he made him a consultant in 2014/2015 and wrote a foreword for his book. But then again what does Belichick know about scouting it is not like his father wrote a book on that or anything.

But please if your scouting is so amazingly accurate that you feel like you can make fun of people with a rich history in the league like Lombardi then maybe you should stop doing it from the comfort of your home, go out and try to be a professional scout. If you truly have such an amazing success rate then you should not have any problems running a draft room in the next 10 years.

But then again you were claiming he drafted Manziel even though he was working for the Pats by then so maybe get a bit more informed before you try to find a job in that area.

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Lombardi was a very valuable player, no doubt. And you're right, he was fired a few months before Manziel.
You're taking this too seriously though. I was having a little fun. That's par for the course w you though. You love aligning or trying to, w "beat reporters" or in this case Lombardi. Again par for the course considering you bring nothing yourself.

Ironic though making fun of Twitter though, considering you steal & basically plagiarize thoughts passing it off as your own thoughts. You must have been refreshing Lazar's page every 30 seconds last fall.

Also anyone w a pulse understands you don't need to be a "scout" to be good at evaluating, grading players. Some of the best out there do it from their home.

W a little help I have no doubt Miguel could run a cap.

It's 2019, all the info, tape, whatever you need is out there. You'll find some of the smartest minds on Twitter. Again you should know

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Ironic though making fun of Twitter though, considering you steal & basically plagiarize thoughts passing it off as your own thoughts. You must have been refreshing Lazar's page every 30 seconds last fall.

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Yes, pasting tweets that are clearly attributed because they come in an embedded format into various threads is plagiarizing people. Genius observation. I guess I should have been more stealth.

Speaking of plagiarism you still claiming you did come up with your "PTP" term and didn't just borrow it from people on the beat like Phil Perry who coined Prototypical Patriots years ago ?

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Also anyone w a pulse understands you don't need to be a "scout" to be good at evaluating, grading players. Some of the best out there do it from their home.

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And there are many hobby cooks on Instagram. But none of them call out successful cooks like David Chang or Rene Redzepi like you just did with Lombardi. Because they know that people who actually do it as a profession and worked their way into the highest level have forgotten more than our hobbyists will ever know.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

W a little help I have no doubt Miguel could run a cap.

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Another genius observation. Someone who works as a professional accountant would be able to do accountant things.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

It's 2019, all the info, tape, whatever you need is out there. You'll find some of the smartest minds on Twitter

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If any of them were smart enough they'd be able to find a position to do this fulltime and then eventually move upwards to work for teams or at least in the media. Because the draft in particular and talent evaluation in general is a very inexact science which is evident when you look at how many bad decisions are made each year by every team. If any of those folks on Twitter had any insight that goes significantly beyond what the teams already have they'd get hired eventually.

But the majority has none. Hell, they can't even get tier 3/4 gigs like Mark Schofield.

captain stone said:

Isn't...

...Throwing away #101 to move up to #45 in order to draft JoeSlo;
...Choosing yet another RB instead of TE Dawson Knox at #87;
...Choosing the 31-1/4"(!?!)-armed Kris Kringle instead of a Real prospect, Mike Jordan, at #118;
...Choosing the next Kevin O'Connell at #134;
...Throwing away #239 to move up to 159 in order to draft a DLman NOT named Charles Omenihu or Joe Jackson;
...and Throwing away #246 to move up to 163 in order to draft A FECKIN PUNTER

...proof enough?

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Was that punter left footed?

Soliel said:

Was that punter left footed?

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No, I don’t believe that he was this time.

captain stone said:

Isn't...

...Throwing away #101 to move up to #45 in order to draft JoeSlo;
...Choosing yet another RB instead of TE Dawson Knox at #87;
...Choosing the 31-1/4"(!?!)-armed Kris Kringle instead of a Real prospect, Mike Jordan, at #118;
...Choosing the next Kevin O'Connell at #134;
...Throwing away #239 to move up to 159 in order to draft a DLman NOT named Charles Omenihu or Joe Jackson;
...and Throwing away #246 to move up to 163 in order to draft A FECKIN PUNTER

...proof enough?

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You know when @captain stone goes on one of his moronic rants like this that Belichick has done a fantastic job.

JoeJuan Williams isn't slow. He ran a 4.53 at his Pro Day. That's more than sufficient to go up against taller receivers or Tight Ends. Especially when he's got a 4.01 short shuttle and a 6.84 3 cone.

Why draft a TE who currently isn't better than anyone on the team and whom you don't project to be better? As for the RB, I don't think you realize how talented Harris is. He's very good in the blocking game already for a RB. Plus he catches the ball really well. He's a future replacement for Burkhead. You know. the guy who hasn't played a full season for the Pats either of the last 2 years.

Can you show me where having 31 1/4 inch arms makes the guy a bad guard? Froholdt isn't some schmuck who gone run over every game, you know. He was a starter for Arkansas. One of the best running teams in the country the last few years. Not to mention that he only allowed one sack in the last 2 years during pass protection.

Your claim that Stidham is the next Kevin O'Connell is laughable and tells everyone that you haven't actually done any sort of scouting on him. They are very different quarterbacks.

You don't seem to realize that Omenihu and Jackson are DEs and not DTs. Cowart is a DT. The Patriots drafted one since they needed someone to take over one of the open spots from Brown and Shelton moving on. You were one of the many guys who whined about Shawn Crable's chicken legs, yet your banging the drum for Omenihu? How many pass deflections did Omenihu have in his college career? Tell me something. Did you do any research on Jackson or Omenihu other than looking at their names? Did you look at how poorly they did at the combine and their Pro-Day? Both Omenihu and Jackson were slower in their 10 yard split than flowers.. Both of them were significantly worse in their bench press. Omenihu and Jackson were significantly worse than Flowers in the Broad jump. Brady has better agility numbers than Joe Jackson.. Yet you're yammering on about them?

Yes. A punter in the middle of the 5th round. WOW. Like that's such a bad thing. Especially when your punter is only on a 1 year deal and you're looking for improvements.

The original post deals with the apocalypse.

Now, if we look at revelations 13. You’ll see that Saint John said: “I stood upon the sands of the sea and saw the beast rise up having seven heads and ten horns “. Now, I think I know what he really saw. He was not near an actual sea. He was out around lake Erie. Probably around cleaveland. All the horns having blasphemous names are a dead give away

luuked said:

Another genius observation. Someone who works as a professional accountant would be able to do accountant things.

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FYI -I am not a professional accountant. I work in Information Technology for an insurance company.

Wanted to double major in accounting but was not allowed to.

Miguel said:

FYI -I am not a professional accountant. I work in Information Technology for an insurance company.

Wanted to double major in accounting but was not allowed to.

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My mistake. Thought I remembered something like that from your Twitter feed.