Welcome to the Patriots Jarrett Stidham

AndyJohnson said:

His is drafting a backup who sticks around as a backup a failure?

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I mean, he never played a real down in anger in the NFL. Being a backup doesn't mean anything in and of itself. Good backups go on to have long careers and make starts or even get chances as starters. Good backups are Brian Hoyers. Rohan Davey threw 19 NFL passes. Rohan Davey was clearly a bad quarterback. The Patriots were fortunate he was never required to be anything more than a backup.

I'm so sorry Rohan Davey traumatized you to such a drastic degree.I look back on the 18 years of Brady and the Davey speed bump is as inconsequential an event as the tenure of Tommy Hodson.

Joker said:

I'm so sorry Rohan Davey traumatized you to such a drastic degree.I look back on the 18 years of Brady and the Davey speed bump is as inconsequential an event as the tenure of Tommy Hodson.

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I haven't checked lately but I suspect Davey is still in the process of winding up to throw a pass.

yeah..but he was a "black" QB and back then there was a lot of ignorant racism leveled at him from the start.I watched him in camp a lot and he never looked comfortable doing anything.

primetime said:

I mean, he never played a real down in anger in the NFL. Being a backup doesn't mean anything in and of itself. Good backups go on to have long careers and make starts or even get chances as starters. Good backups are Brian Hoyers. Rohan Davey threw 19 NFL passes. Rohan Davey was clearly a bad quarterback. The Patriots were fortunate he was never required to be anything more than a backup.

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I was more referring to the larger list you were responding to. But if your QB is the goat for 20 years the backup who never plays isn’t bad he just isn’t needed. Hard to call the pick a failure when it totally served its purpose.

Wingy said:

Meh. Lots will disagree, but I'll maintain til I die that all these QBOTF are a massive waste as long as Brady's playing well.

Montana > Young. Favre > Rodgers. You literally can't ask for better successors to living legends...yet they only have 1 SB each. I'll take my chances putting the most talent around Brady for 1 more.

Yay Stidham I guess.

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BB's making a million trades and adding a bunch of picks. Spending bonus picks on fliers isn't something people should have problems with, IMO. Where I think the problem comes in, for most people, is when the wheeling and dealing seems to cost the team players that seem like good fits for the team, and when the wheeling and dealing involved trading up for a position that seems to have less need than positions that most felt could have been addressed with the talent on the board. And I think those are fair second guesses.

Wingy said:

How many guys have been molded by BB, and sat/watched Brady? How many have amounted to anything?

Jimmy G might, but honestly, he's more hype / hope and SF's pre-mature contract-ulation than production on the field.

I'll give you they weren't coached by BB once all the QBOTFs walked away, but wouldn't you think the molding and the TB12 observing that people value so highly would lead guys to at least having decent careers if it were that easy?

It's not. What BB/Brady have in each other is unprecedented. Thinking we can just roll it over to the next guy is absolute folly. At best we might get to 9-7 type wild card teams. That kind of 'success' isn't worth lowering our chances with Brady onboard.

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Cassel and Hoyer are definite success stories. JAG's story isn't written yet.

Deus Irae said:

BB's making a million trades and adding a bunch of picks. Spending bonus picks on fliers isn't something people should have problems with, IMO. Where I think the problem comes in, for most people, is when the wheeling and dealing seems to cost the team players that seem like good fits for the team, and when the wheeling and dealing involved trading up for a position that seems to have less need than positions that most felt could have been addressed with the talent on the board. And I think those are fair second guesses.

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That's looking at it purely from a fan's perspective not accounting for BB's unconventional approach to team-building. He emphasizes very specific complementary role players who are smart and have leadership qualities -- not solely in terms of collecting talent, which is how outsiders tend to view it.

And please, Deus: just because someone gives one of your posts a "disagree" rating followed up by a post explaining why doesn't warrant you hunting out an unrelated post by that person to levy a retaliatory thumbs-down. That's taking it a bit too personally.

Jackson 2 said:

I think Brian Hoyer is a great guy and teammate. I also think that if he retired, no one would miss him. If he's a Brady insurance policy, the coverage is woefully inadequate.

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How many teams have a better backup QB in terms of experience, grasp of system and economic value ? If Brady ends up on IR it doesn't matter much anyway but if he were to miss 3-4 games I am absolutely confident Hoyer could keep us above water to go 2-2 given it is not an absolute gauntlet of games.

I'd love if Stidham developed like JG and we can say goodbye to Hoyer after this season (or earlier) but until then he is not only adequate but the ideal backup.

Redman443 said:

BB failures
Kevin O’connell
Ryan Mallett
Probably Etling
Jacoby Brissett

BB successes
Brady
Jimmy G

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I'd add Hoyer and Cassel as successes. There are essentially 3 big tiers of QBs. The "starters" of which there are often less than 32, the "career backups" which are just depth and have no reasonable path to play (think Charlie Whitehurst) and then those in limbo between the two. Those are the backup QBs that you want to have. The ones that are not consistent enough to be starters but show can steer the ship for a bit without taking it totally off course.

I could not care less how people tend to make fun of them, the fact Hoyer and Cassel stuck around for years in limbo between starter and backup shows that they were positive stories. If someone doesn't think that being in the league for that long, having a positive TD:INT ratio while passing for respectively almost 10k and 17k yards is a success in itself then they should check out the average career lengths in this league. Keep in mind one was a UDFA the other a seventh round pick.

That is also the reason I would not add Etling to the list of failures. A seventh round pick QB is mostly someone who gets drafted because there is something intriguing in him but odds are he is a camp body.

Mallett, Brissett and KOC definitely were misses.

luuked said:

I'd add Hoyer and Cassel as successes. There are essentially 3 big tiers of QBs. The "starters" of which there are often less than 32, the "career backups" which are just depth and have no reasonable path to play (think Charlie Whitehurst) and then those in limbo between the two. Those are the backup QBs that you want to have. The ones that are not consistent enough to be starters but show can steer the ship for a bit without taking it totally off course.

I could not care less how people tend to make fun of them, the fact Hoyer and Cassel stuck around for years in limbo between starter and backup shows that they were positive stories. If someone doesn't think that being in the league for that long, having a positive TD:INT ratio while passing for respectively almost 10k and 17k yards is a success in itself then they should check out the average career lengths in this league. Keep in mind one was a UDFA the other a seventh round pick.

That is also the reason I would not add Etling to the list of failures. A seventh round pick QB is mostly someone who gets drafted because there is something intriguing in him but odds are he is a camp body.

Mallett, Brissett and KOC definitely were misses.

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Luuked, I wouldn’t even call Brissett a miss. He started practically a full season for Indy. And he netted us a former first rd pick who’s still on the roster (Dorsett).

AzorianPats said:

Luuked, I wouldn’t even call Brissett a miss. He started practically a full season for Indy. And he netted us a former first rd pick who’s still on the roster (Dorsett).

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I get your point and he might end up having a long career in the league. But if your third round QB pick doesnt even see a second year I'd call this a draft failure.

The trade was a great way to recover some value and while the team needs to eat the criticism for picking someone who was gone within a year they also deserve the credit to realize he would not develop and not hang on to him just because of draft status. Keep in mind that Curran & co were of the opinion that there was a good chance he would get cut at the end of camp.

Do we think this pick rules us out of looking at the stronger class of QBs next year?

We MAY have something guys....I honestly didn’t know much about Stidham, but after watching some film I really like his mechanics, pocket presence, accuracy & decision-making. I’d love to see what he can do with proper coaching & an OL.

Why Jarrett Stidham is the SEC’s most intriguing draft prospect, especially right now

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UptownPatsFan said:

We MAY have something guys....I honestly didn’t know much about Stidham, but after watching some film I really like his mechanics, pocket presence, accuracy & decision-making. I’d love to see what he can do with proper coaching & an OL.

Why Jarrett Stidham is the SEC’s most intriguing draft prospect, especially right now

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Ryan Davis looks fantastic. Love his highlights! His QB is okay, too, I guess.

luuked said:

Mallett, Brissett and KOC definitely were misses.

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I wouldn’t call Brissett a miss.

UptownPatsFan said:

We MAY have something guys....I honestly didn’t know much about Stidham, but after watching some film I really like his mechanics, pocket presence, accuracy & decision-making. I’d love to see what he can do with proper coaching & an OL.

Why Jarrett Stidham is the SEC’s most intriguing draft prospect, especially right now

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Love seeing Stidham to WR Ryan Davis in this game. Pats signed Davis as an UDFA yesterday after the draft. Stidham showed why he was highly thought of, just did some great things in that game. Just wasn’t enough of those kind of games, though Auburn really is a running team.

I really think Belichick, Brady and McDaniels can coach this kid up, and he can be a good NFL QB.

luuked said:

I'd add Hoyer and Cassel as successes. There are essentially 3 big tiers of QBs. The "starters" of which there are often less than 32, the "career backups" which are just depth and have no reasonable path to play (think Charlie Whitehurst) and then those in limbo between the two. Those are the backup QBs that you want to have. The ones that are not consistent enough to be starters but show can steer the ship for a bit without taking it totally off course.

I could not care less how people tend to make fun of them, the fact Hoyer and Cassel stuck around for years in limbo between starter and backup shows that they were positive stories. If someone doesn't think that being in the league for that long, having a positive TD:INT ratio while passing for respectively almost 10k and 17k yards is a success in itself then they should check out the average career lengths in this league. Keep in mind one was a UDFA the other a seventh round pick.

That is also the reason I would not add Etling to the list of failures. A seventh round pick QB is mostly someone who gets drafted because there is something intriguing in him but odds are he is a camp body.

Mallett, Brissett and KOC definitely were misses.

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Brissett does not have to be a miss yet.

"Lowering our chances" by spending a 4th round pick? L-O-L. This wasn't a premium pick that the Pats just spent, this is your typical mid round, hope you can get a backup player out of this pick type of selection. And if Stidham only turns out to be a backup QB who never sees the field, and only gives you practice snaps, he actually fulfilled the value of that pick and did it on a cheap rookie deal.

Wingy said:

It's not. What BB/Brady have in each other is unprecedented. Thinking we can just roll it over to the next guy is absolute folly. At best we might get to 9-7 type wild card teams. That kind of 'success' isn't worth lowering our chances with Brady onboard.

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