2019 UDFA’s

Ok, what is percentage of 5th rounders that make our 53?
What is percentage of 6th rounders?
What is percentage of 7th rounders?

Do players taken in the 5th, 6th and 7th really "tend to make the team"?
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That being said, specialists who are drafted late have a much better chance of making the team than position players. After all, they are rarely drafted Day 3, if at all. Bailey was the 2nd punter taken this year.

50-yard-line said:

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The Patriots tend to take players who will make the team, you know. .

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mgteich said:

Do players taken in the 5th, 6th and 7th really "tend to make the team"?

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Here's the list of all the players drafted under BB in the fifth through seventh rounds:

Draft Finder Query Results | Pro-Football-Reference.com

I'm not going to do the calculations on how many of them made the team, but I can say this much:

The Patriots have drafted 40 players in those rounds over the last 10 years. Of those 40, 21 are still in the league.

mgteich said:

Ok, what is percentage of 5th rounders that make our 53?
What is percentage of 6th rounders?
What is percentage of 7th rounders?

Do players taken in the 5th, 6th and 7th really "tend to make the team"?
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That being said, specialists who are drafted late have a much better chance of making the team than position players. After all, they are rarely drafted Day 3, if at all. Bailey was the 2nd punter taken this year.

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Not really my point and I'm not hunting statistics. It's been mentioned - read an article the other day, that the Patriots don't look for position as much as for a role. That would explain Joejuan, right?

I was surprised that they didn't throw a bunch of darts at the wall this year for TE and WR (but they just added three WRs in UDFA).

It seems right in character to me for them to go for a punter in 5, as they did for a long-snapper in 5. Bailey's got a pretty decent chance to make the team.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Here's the list of all the players drafted under BB in the fifth through seventh rounds:

Draft Finder Query Results | Pro-Football-Reference.com

I'm not going to do the calculations on how many of them made the team, but I can say this much:

The Patriots have drafted 40 players in those rounds over the last 10 years. Of those 40, 21 are still in the league.

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In terms of games played for the Patriots, the only ones with notable totals are Edelman, Cannon (who fell because of cancer), and specialists (Slater, Ebner, and Cardona). Dennard was a starter for a time. Otherwise it's all guys who caught on with other teams or guys who are yet to be or never were.

The relative success of specialists compared to everyone else suggests drafting the best punter in the 5th isn't such a bad move.

Also Lee Smith might be the single least remarkable guy to play 100+ games (and start 50+ of them??!) in league history.

scott99 said:

JoeJuan Williams ran a 4.6, really slow for a CB.

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As others have mentioned, you conveniently ignore that he improved this time to 4.55 (laser timed) at his Pro Day. This is the same time that Sherman ran.



You also conveniently left out his agility numbers, which were excellent for his height/size.

Finally, these numbers:



Checkmate.

scott99 said:

JoeJuan Williams ran a 4.6, really slow for a CB.

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I noticed he actually comes out of his stance to the upright position way too fast in the 40. Any running/performance coach will tell you that you are at your fastest at the point when you are powering up with your legs. Once you are upright, your speed actually decreases.

This is why Usain Bolt is the best in the 40. No one else can sustain his speed while running upright. But the fact is, Bolt is nowhere near the fastest when it comes to top speed in the 40. Top speed is always reached by other runners in the first 3rd.

The thing is, football DBs are never in that position during a football game. They start upright.

A 40 is a good measure for speed if everyone has decent form. What would be much better for everyone is if they measured speed for WRs/CBs from a standing position. That would be revealing. Lineman and maybe running backs and TEs could still start from a classic 40 position.

manxman2601 said:

Booooo.

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Hopefully they cut him and the Pats pick him up. It's only a minicamp invite.

upstater1 said:

I noticed he actually comes out of his stance to the upright position way too fast in the 40. Any running/performance coach will tell you that you are at your fastest at the point when you are powering up with your legs. Once you are upright, your speed actually decreases.

This is why Usain Bolt is the best in the 40. No one else can sustain his speed while running upright. But the fact is, Bolt is nowhere near the fastest when it comes to top speed in the 40. Top speed is always reached by other runners in the first 3rd.

The thing is, football DBs are never in that position during a football game. They start upright.

A 40 is a good measure for speed if everyone has decent form. What would be much better for everyone is if they measured speed for WRs/CBs from a standing position. That would be revealing. Lineman and maybe running backs and TEs could still start from a classic 40 position.

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The shuttle and cone drill starts standing and involve change of direction. The 40 is useful to some extent but those two are better gauges of speed in realistic settings.

Patriot Missile said:

A punter that has the potential to be better than the one you have on the roster on a 1 yr deal. 5 year contract on the cheap.

But hey, lets go ahead and add 5 udfa wr’s instead.

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How do you figure a "5 year contract on the cheap?"

DaBruinz said:

Hopefully they cut him and the Pats pick him up. It's only a minicamp invite.

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That’s what I’m hoping for.

manxman2601 said:

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Did Ubosi have a leg injury during his Pro-Day because there are Pats Oline that have better numbers than his (4.53 - Shuttle and 7.5 3-cone)

farn said:

2014 champs
2015 AFCCG
2016 champs
2017 SB
2018 champs

I don’t think the sky is falling. TEs don’t need to be a team’s focal point.

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I'll be honest. I think people are sleeping on Izzo and Anderson. Izzo had a really strong camp before getting injured and Anderson was brought back as well.

With ASJ the likely "#1TE", Anderson and Izzo could easily be adequate #2 and #3. Could they be improved upon? Sure. Clearly the Pats didn't think that any of the guys in the draft did that, though.. But they are willing to give Beck a shot. Beck could be someone they put on the PS after TC

DaBruinz said:

Did Ubosi have a leg injury during his Pro-Day because there are Pats Oline that have better numbers than his (4.53 - Shuttle and 7.5 3-cone)

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That’s not so good. He’s a deep threat type in the Josh Gordon mould but hopefully he was carrying an injury.

manxman2601 said:

That’s not so good. He’s a deep threat type in the Josh Gordon mould but hopefully he was carrying an injury.

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You're being kind.. But that's also why I asked.. Thuney's shuttle was 4.54 and 3 cone of 7.47..
And Mason was 4.65 and 7.53.. To have a receiver show those sorts of agility stats begs the question about something being wrong..

So, are we now going to pretend we don't care about 40 times, after all these years? If JoeJuan had run a 4.29, it's likely that not one of you would be dismissing the time, or comparing it to bust CBs.

Instead of going down hypocrisy lane, maybe we could just stick with the obvious, which is that the numbers are just guides, and not guarantees in any direction, at least until it gets to the point where it's way beyond even the outliers.

"When the big TE's are coming, when the big WR's are coming, when the big RB is coming, the 4.3 guys turn into 4.8 guys and us 4.6 guys turn into 4.3 guys." —Rodney Harrison.

1 UDFA TE signed so far, Andrew Beck, and a LOT of wide receivers according to this list:

Patriots 2019 undrafted free agents tracker: Signings, rumors, contract details, analysis

A lot of offensive linemen as well. Dante might be able to recover a hidden gem.

UptownPatsFan said:

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Jason Avant clone? For some reason they said Avant catches everything but all I saw was him dropping passes. I certainly hope he's not a clone of Avant!

Then again, it's PFF. Just assume the opposite! So he should be fine.

UptownPatsFan said:

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Binkie mode activated.