NFL Draft: Day 2

Tunescribe · Apr 27, 2019

FoxboroFlyer said:
Tunescribe is going to lose it this evening!

Just waiting for someone to say the "core" has "upside."

manxman2601 · Apr 27, 2019

Dane Brugler says the Pats were high on Jahlani Tavai which is why the Lions traded ahead of us and took him.

FoxboroFlyer · Apr 27, 2019

Tunescribe said:
Just waiting for someone to say the "core" has "upside."

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I know it. I've seen you correct multiple posters for years, yet there's always another. The education system has failed, yet again.

patfanken · Apr 27, 2019

Tunescribe said:
So you're a glass-half-empty guy, eh?

Well he just wrote down I'm I was thinking when I finally saw what happened on the 2nd day.

It's a marvel that they do so well. They had their pick of any of the 3 TE's that we've all talked about the past 2 months, ANY of whom we'd have been happy with and INSTEAD (and I'm trying to keep it together here) we took a RB we had ZERO NEED FOR, and a OT who while looks like a decent player but was a pure luxury pick that was taken instead of a OBVIOUS desperate need.

THIS is why I hate the draft and hate that once again I was snookered into following it again. It is simply a horrible, frustrating, and exhausting exercise that I regret EVERY year.

Somehow I guess they will continue to build this team over the next few month and will cobble together a team that will be competitive and fun to watch once the season gets here.

But the fact remains that EVERY one of our division rivals improved their teams significantly and it will be hard and hard to overcome the talent discrepancies that continue to grow among our major rivals. Fortunately football is a unique game where the most talent doesn't always win. We saw that clearly this playoff season where the least elite talent won the championship. But that gap seems to be growing and winning will get harder and harder, and this draft didn't do anything in my mind to help that impression.

So tell me again why we didn't draft a TE in the 3rd round, because we needed another RB I never heard of prior to his name being mentioned as our pick, instead of great TE prospects we've talked about for 3 months.

I'm going to need a pill to get to sleep tonight.

FoxboroFlyer · Apr 27, 2019

manxman2601 said:

How do these teams "find out" the most secretive HC in the game is interested? That's kinda weird.

n6249c · Apr 27, 2019

FoxboroFlyer said:
NFLN pretty much confirmed. "It's not fair" if the Patriots get Rudolph. Lol

That was in the context of their discussion that they think it’s likely...

LJRomanoff · Apr 27, 2019

TheBostonStraggler said:
There very likely isn't a way to replace Gronk (at least in the short term). But a TE who can block and catch 45(dare I dream 55)? I'll take it! This TE takes on a significant meaning. A D has to respect both parts of the O and it has an important domino effect.

Look at the TEs drafted in the first two rounds over the last half decade. Only one had the catch production you're after (Evan Engram) and that guy is a terrible blocker. Maybe two if you count Eric Ebron but he was only good for 25 catches as a rookie and he can't block either.

SBLIII · Apr 27, 2019

VJCPatriot said:
Pats have 6.55m in cap space before signing their rookies. Rudolph makes 7.275m, so they would have to tear up his contract for him to even be able to sign with the Patriots.

But I've seen weirder things happen.

Day 3 is gonna be interesting!

Pats have over 13 million in cap room according to patscap

FoxboroFlyer · Apr 27, 2019

patfanken said:
Well he just wrote down I'm I was thinking when I finally saw what happened on the 2nd day.

It's a marvel that they do so well. They had their pick of any of the 3 TE's that we've all talked about the past 2 months, ANY of whom we'd have been happy with and INSTEAD (and I'm trying to keep it together here) we took a RB we had ZERO NEED FOR, and a OT who while looks like a decent player but was a pure luxury pick that was taken instead of a OBVIOUS desperate need.

THIS is why I hate the draft and hate that once again I was snookered into following it again. It is simply a horrible, frustrating, and exhausting exercise that I regret EVERY year.

Somehow I guess they will continue to build this team over the next few month and will cobble together a team that will be competitive and fun to watch once the season gets here.

But the fact remains that EVERY one of our division rivals improved their teams significantly and it will be hard and hard to overcome the talent discrepancies that continue to grow among our major rivals. Fortunately football is a unique game where the most talent doesn't always win. We saw that clearly this playoff season where the least elite talent won the championship. But that gap seems to be growing and winning will get harder and harder, and this draft didn't do anything in my mind to help that impression.

So tell me again why we didn't draft a TE in the 3rd round, because we needed another RB I never heard of prior to his name being mentioned as our pick, instead of great TE prospects we've talked about for 3 months.

I'm going to need a pill to get to sleep tonight.

You never heard of Damien Harris? That explains a lot.

Tunescribe · Apr 27, 2019

patfanken said:
Well he just wrote down I'm I was thinking when I finally saw what happened on the 2nd day.

It's a marvel that they do so well. They had their pick of any of the 3 TE's that we've all talked about the past 2 months, ANY of whom we'd have been happy with and INSTEAD (and I'm trying to keep it together here) we took a RB we had ZERO NEED FOR, and a OT who while looks like a decent player but was a pure luxury pick that was taken instead of a OBVIOUS desperate need.

THIS is why I hate the draft and hate that once again I was snookered into following it again. It is simply a horrible, frustrating, and exhausting exercise that I regret EVERY year.

Somehow I guess they will continue to build this team over the next few month and will cobble together a team that will be competitive and fun to watch once the season gets here.

But the fact remains that EVERY one of our division rivals improved their teams significantly and it will be hard and hard to overcome the talent discrepancies that continue to grow among our major rivals. Fortunately football is a unique game where the most talent doesn't always win. We saw that clearly this playoff season where the least elite talent won the championship. But that gap seems to be growing and winning will get harder and harder, and this draft didn't do anything in my mind to help that impression.

So tell me again why we didn't draft a TE in the 3rd round, because we needed another RB I never heard of prior to his name being mentioned as our pick, instead of great TE prospects we've talked about for 3 months.

I'm going to need a pill to get to sleep tonight.

I believe the problem is we fans trying to fit our square pegs into BB's round holes. BB views personnel acquisition in terms of very specific complementary role players who are smart and have leadership qualities -- not in terms of talent level. He builds teams with a level of sophistication nobody else has a grip on.

LJRomanoff · Apr 27, 2019

VJCPatriot said:
Pats have 6.55m in cap space before signing their rookies.

You Googled "Patriots cap space" and the first thing you found was a month old Ben Volin article, didn't you? I see what you're up to.

FoxboroFlyer · Apr 27, 2019

LJRomanoff said:
Look at the TEs drafted in the first two rounds over the last half decade. Only one had the catch production you're after (Even Engram) and that guy is a terrible blocker. Maybe two if you count Eric Ebron but he was only good for 25 catches as a rookie and he can't block either.

Gronk was a unicorn. We were all spoiled.

BaconGrundleCandy · Apr 27, 2019

FoxboroFlyer said:
You never heard of Damien Harris? That explains a lot.

Most dont follow the draft until a month or a few weeks before. Have an idea of what they want, get their opinions from others & end up disappointed.

1)WR was a huge need. I'm not a WR/RB guy in Rd1 but our group was absurdly thin.
2)Swing Tackle addressed.
3)Easily one of the deeper RB groups in the league for a team that wants to run the ball
4)Rush/Edge position addressed.

Still have plenty of picks for a roster w few holes.

LJRomanoff · Apr 27, 2019

FoxboroFlyer said:
Gronk was a unicorn. We were all spoiled.

Exactly. The new Gronk isn't walking through that door unless it's the old Gronk. Although even the old Gronk wasn't really Gronk anymore.

Ideally the Patriots strike gold like the 49ers did (excuse the awful pun) with Kittle because the recent history indicates using a high draft pick on a tight end is a waste of resources. Most of them have the offensive production of a WR4 or WR5.

fightingirish595 · Apr 27, 2019

Harris was a steal in my opinion

VJCPatriot · Apr 27, 2019

Relax PFK. They obviously didn't have the tight ends available graded very high.

I did a mock draft game a couple of days before the draft and ended up taking... a RB with a mid round pick simply because the value was too good to pass up. So I'm not surprised that the Pats selected a versatile RB as a value pick.

Now in my mock I went for Irv Smith Jr. We passed on him. Obviously, with JJ Williams, BB is prioritizing getting a defender to make plays against the big tight ends/big wrs that usually gash our D. It's been a weakness for a couple of years now. So I'm actually not upset we took Brandon Browner 2.0.

In the 3rd round, I'm thinking BB either does not rate the remaining tight ends very highly or saw a lot of similar talent being available in the 4th. I mean who's to say if Alize Mack or Foster Moreau will turn out any worse than Knox or Sternberger?

Get some sleep, don't stress, in BB we trust.

Draft is a crapshoot anyways. But usually we hit on our 1st rounders and if N'Keal Harry is as good as the Pats brass feel that he is, all those worries will melt away when you see him grabbing his first big touchdown this season.

patfanken said:
Well he just wrote down I'm I was thinking when I finally saw what happened on the 2nd day.

It's a marvel that they do so well. They had their pick of any of the 3 TE's that we've all talked about the past 2 months, ANY of whom we'd have been happy with and INSTEAD (and I'm trying to keep it together here) we took a RB we had ZERO NEED FOR, and a OT who while looks like a decent player but was a pure luxury pick that was taken instead of a OBVIOUS desperate need.

THIS is why I hate the draft and hate that once again I was snookered into following it again. It is simply a horrible, frustrating, and exhausting exercise that I regret EVERY year.

Somehow I guess they will continue to build this team over the next few month and will cobble together a team that will be competitive and fun to watch once the season gets here.

But the fact remains that EVERY one of our division rivals improved their teams significantly and it will be hard and hard to overcome the talent discrepancies that continue to grow among our major rivals. Fortunately football is a unique game where the most talent doesn't always win. We saw that clearly this playoff season where the least elite talent won the championship. But that gap seems to be growing and winning will get harder and harder, and this draft didn't do anything in my mind to help that impression.

So tell me again why we didn't draft a TE in the 3rd round, because we needed another RB I never heard of prior to his name being mentioned as our pick, instead of great TE prospects we've talked about for 3 months.

I'm going to need a pill to get to sleep tonight.

FoxboroFlyer · Apr 27, 2019

BaconGrundleCandy said:
Most dont follow the draft until a month or a few weeks before. Have an idea of what they want, get their opinions from others & end up disappointed.

1)WR was a huge need. I'm not a WR/RB guy in Rd1 but our group was absurdly thin.
2)Swing Tackle addressed.
3)Easily one of the deeper RB groups in the league for a team that wants to run the ball
4)Rush/Edge position addressed.

Still have plenty of picks for a roster w few holes.

Fair enough, but Damien Harris isn't exactly an obscure player. If people want to complain, they should be informed on what they're complaining about.

Sciz · Apr 27, 2019

The median production for a third round rookie tight end over the past decade is about 12 catches for 150 yards and 1 TD.

DaBruinz · Apr 27, 2019

Deus Irae said:
They could have used some to get Lawrence. They could have used some to get Isabella. Instead, they went out and got a 23rd CB for the 90 man roster and a WR who's had problems getting free from coverage at the college level.

No offense to the two players, who may work out wonderfully and who I'm not judging as prospects, but I'm hating this draft right now. If I were watching it on TV, I'd probably have thrown something through the screen by now.

And, Rochrist, I don't give a **** if you disagree.

I don't know where you get your information, but it's complete garbage.....

Williams had a 2nd round rating. And Harry didn't have problems getting separation at the college level.

oceansizer · Apr 27, 2019

manxman2601 said:
@oceansizer Congrats. You did something no-one else has done

I have done it thank to your help and @reamer @BaconGrundleCandy and many others on that board. Your knowledge and great analysis led me to it.Thanx guys

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