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How Comp Picks Became Fuel for the Patriots’ Dynasty Machine (The Ringer)


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Article lost me at this:

So productive veterans like defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh and others could remain unsigned until May 7, when they won’t affect teams’ 2020 formula."
 
Roger Goodell does not like this...
 
You too, can get a couple of third round comp picks every year. All you have to do is let your top two players leave in free agency and sign huge deals, elsewhere.
 
I had to stop and get a drink if water when I read the statement:

“NFL analyst Warren Sharp said in a March blog post that he calculated...”

From a guy who couldn’t ‘calculate’ how many shoes he could buy on his salary before he went bankrupt....I mean, does anyone see the humor in that statement?!

Dude, are you reading that as Warren Sapp instead of Warren Sharp? They are two different people.
 
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I had to stop and get a drink if water when I read the statement:

“NFL analyst Warren Sharp said in a March blog post that he calculated...”

From a guy who couldn’t ‘calculate’ how many shoes he could buy on his salary before he went bankrupt....I mean, does anyone see the humor in that statement?!
You confusing Warren Sapp with Warren Sharp
 
This author should go even further and examine the "value" NE creates for itself because of their success in the win column and their success coaching up players lost in other systems.

Desperate organizations have overpaid to secure NE free agents because their talents get showcased nationally in prime time settings throughout the season and for extended weeks during the playoffs. Such TV exposure plus the players' fabled exposure to the Patriot Way have certainly elevated subsequent free agent contract $$$ and thus boost NE's compensatory offerings.

Think of the value Trent Brown created for himself and the Patriots organization simply because of his exposure to NE and their coaches. Seven months in Dante's program and weekly exposure during prime time games helped transform a raw behemoth spotted with warts into the highest paid LT in the NFL and another compensatory win for BB

Think of all the vets that have stopped by for a cup of coffee and then hit the open market with the fresh scent of Patriots success still wafting over their bodies and their playoff highlights still imprinted in GMs' memories.

Yes...BB the Economist mines value like the most sophisticated algorithm. He also builds value
 
Enjoyed the article, but bummed that less sophisticated teams will now have a road map of how to copy us (yet again), so BB and Ernie will have to come up with something new.
 
I had to stop and get a drink if water when I read the statement:

“NFL analyst Warren Sharp said in a March blog post that he calculated...”

From a guy who couldn’t ‘calculate’ how many shoes he could buy on his salary before he went bankrupt....I mean, does anyone see the humor in that statement?!
Warren Sharp, not Warran Sapp.
 
Sure they've gotten a lot of comp picks but beyond Brady, their comp picks really haven't amounted to much. I like the theory, it's more trade ballast and more lottery ticket chances for a good player, but for the most part it's yet to bear fruit. The calculus had changed now that comp picks can be traded, of course, but I admit I'm a bit perplexed by this narrative given the history of Patriots' comp picks.

Last year's was a throw-in in the Cooks deal, so that matters in some sense. In 2017 it was traded for O'Shaughnessy. The year before you got Vincent Valentine, KGH, Elandon Roberts, and Karras. Fine, I guess, though the ones who last the longest were throwaway 7ths. Then there's Geneo Grissom, Xzavier ****son, Cameron Fleming, three years with no comp picks, Brandon Deaderick, Kade Weston, Ted Larsen, Zac Robinson, Tyrone McKenzie, George Bussey, Myron Pryor, Clint Oldenburg, Justise Hairston, Mike Elgin, Dan Stevenson, LeKevin Smith, and Nick Kaczur.

Elandon Roberts is the best player of that group. Some have been bit players on good teams, but this whole narrative seems to me like sportswriters praising it as an unambiguously good strategy because it must be because Belichick is the one doing it.
 
It was an interesting, well written article that I did enjoy. However adding a few 3rd round picks that give you the potential to draft someone around the 100th pick ISN'T a real reason that the Pats keep winning...FAR from it. As Sup pointed out, its the coaching, preparation, and development of players who come here that have led to 20 years of extraordinary competence.

You could just as easily explore how picking at the end of every round is a critical piece of the NFL's parity pie that gives losing teams the unfair advantage of picking the best players every year.

BTW- This thread gives me the platform to offer a "more fair" solution to this which would be to use a "serpentine formula" for future drafts where the draft order would be reversed in the 2nd, 4th, and 6th rounds of the drafts. The so called "elite" players would still go to the worst teams, but the rest of the draft would be much fairer.
 
It was an interesting, well written article that I did enjoy. However adding a few 3rd round picks that give you the potential to draft someone around the 100th pick ISN'T a real reason that the Pats keep winning...FAR from it. As Sup pointed out, its the coaching, preparation, and development of players who come here that have led to 20 years of extraordinary competence.

You could just as easily explore how picking at the end of every round is a critical piece of the NFL's parity pie that gives losing teams the unfair advantage of picking the best players every year.

BTW- This thread gives me the platform to offer a "more fair" solution to this which would be to use a "serpentine formula" for future drafts where the draft order would be reversed in the 2nd, 4th, and 6th rounds of the drafts. The so called "elite" players would still go to the worst teams, but the rest of the draft would be much fairer.

Outside of the first round, I'm not certain there's a ton of evidence that the player picked at the beginning of the 2nd or 4th round is meaningfully different than the one picked at the end of that round in terms of their outcomes, and the fact they're probably going to a good team is generally an advantage to the player's chances.
 
It was an interesting, well written article that I did enjoy. However adding a few 3rd round picks that give you the potential to draft someone around the 100th pick ISN'T a real reason that the Pats keep winning...FAR from it. As Sup pointed out, its the coaching, preparation, and development of players who come here that have led to 20 years of extraordinary competence.

I thought the key point the article was making was that the Patriots -have multiple chances- at cheap talent they can keep around. Coaching/Preparation/Development is great, but what really matters more in this case is that they have more bites at the apple in order to uncover some gems that play on rookie contracts to help keep the salary cap down for the middle-class players you -do- pay, which basically leads to a much deeper roster under the salary cap.
 
I had to stop and get a drink if water when I read the statement:

“NFL analyst Warren Sharp said in a March blog post that he calculated...”

From a guy who couldn’t ‘calculate’ how many shoes he could buy on his salary before he went bankrupt....I mean, does anyone see the humor in that statement?!

Warren Sapp* might be a lousy manager of finances, but presumably he can distinguish between two different people, with different names.

;)
 
I thought the key point the article was making was that the Patriots -have multiple chances- at cheap talent they can keep around. Coaching/Preparation/Development is great, but what really matters more in this case is that they have more bites at the apple in order to uncover some gems that play on rookie contracts to help keep the salary cap down for the middle-class players you -do- pay, which basically leads to a much deeper roster under the salary cap.

I think the same thing applies for late round draft picks. I think more of those are valuable because they give teams first crack at the players at the end of the draft, players like Tom Brady.
 
Sure they've gotten a lot of comp picks but beyond Brady, their comp picks really haven't amounted to much. I like the theory, it's more trade ballast and more lottery ticket chances for a good player, but for the most part it's yet to bear fruit. The calculus had changed now that comp picks can be traded, of course, but I admit I'm a bit perplexed by this narrative given the history of Patriots' comp picks.

Last year's was a throw-in in the Cooks deal, so that matters in some sense. In 2017 it was traded for O'Shaughnessy. The year before you got Vincent Valentine, KGH, Elandon Roberts, and Karras. Fine, I guess, though the ones who last the longest were throwaway 7ths. Then there's Geneo Grissom, Xzavier ****son, Cameron Fleming, three years with no comp picks, Brandon Deaderick, Kade Weston, Ted Larsen, Zac Robinson, Tyrone McKenzie, George Bussey, Myron Pryor, Clint Oldenburg, Justise Hairston, Mike Elgin, Dan Stevenson, LeKevin Smith, and Nick Kaczur.

Elandon Roberts is the best player of that group. Some have been bit players on good teams, but this whole narrative seems to me like sportswriters praising it as an unambiguously good strategy because it must be because Belichick is the one doing it.

Not exactly the fuel of the dynasty I guess.
 
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