Patriots scouts apparently like Duke QB Daniel Jones.

AndyJohnson said:

All predictions by anyone should be taken with a grain of salt but I think you misremember my comments on Mayfield.

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AndyJohnson said:

It gonna be funny when the browns take Darnold, giants take Rosen or Barkley (I still think they go qb or they are nuts) and the jete take mayfield and all those rumors were wrong

But the best thing would be jets trade up to 1 give up next years #1 and take mayfield then the browns grab Darnold at 3 and get the guy the wanted all along. Please let that happen.

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Why would you want the Jets to get a quarterback that was going to be good? Only plausible explanation is you didn't think he wasn't going to be a quality NFL quarterback.

KontradictioN said:

Why would you want the Jets to get a quarterback that was going to be good? Only plausible explanation is you didn't think he wasn't going to be a quality NFL quarterback.

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No the plausible explanation is they traded up 2 spots to give up next years 1 when one of the 2 would be there.
Hoping for the jets to get fleeced in a trade is not saying he won’t be a quality NFL QB. You are reading in many levels of things that aren’t there.

Grier is flat out the much better QB than Jones. baffles me how he is talked about as 1st rounder. He is average at best. 4th to 5th rounder to me.

Pats scouts apparently like all QB’s in this draft after further evaluation

TinhWoodhead said:

Pats scouts apparently like all QB’s in this draft after further evaluation

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Eh screw it. Draft 12 QBs and see which one sticks.

AndyJohnson said:

No the plausible explanation is they traded up 2 spots to give up next years 1 when one of the 2 would be there.
Hoping for the jets to get fleeced in a trade is not saying he won’t be a quality NFL QB. You are reading in many levels of things that aren’t there.

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You said “please let that happen” regarding, specifically, the Jets grabbing Mayfield. So, if I’m not reading this correctly, then I’m left to assume that you wanted the Jets to get a quality NFL quarterback?

KontradictioN said:

You said “please let that happen” regarding, specifically, the Jets grabbing Mayfield. So you wanted the Jets to get a quality NFL quarterback? Yes or no?

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The jets were drafting one of the top QBs in any event.
I wanted them to have to trade next years 1 in order to do it.
The point being that it would be foolish to trade next years 1 to have the pick of the QBs who weren’t that far apart in projections instead of sitting tight and getting one any way.
Not that hard to understand unless you are trying to twist my words into something they don’t mean in a perverted attempt to prove you knew what I meant and I don’t.

There is only one person from Duke worthy of being our Qb...

AndyJohnson said:

The jets were drafting one of the top QBs in any event.
I wanted them to have to trade next years 1 in order to do it.
The point being that it would be foolish to trade next years 1 to have the pick of the QBs who weren’t that far apart in projections instead of sitting tight and getting one any way.
Not that hard to understand unless you are trying to twist my words into something they don’t mean in a perverted attempt to prove you knew what I meant and I don’t.

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This is some fantastic mental gymnastics to avoid simply admitting you were wrong. Follow me here - when you said, and I quote, “please let that happen,” you either wanted the Jets to get a quarterback that you believe actually had a future as a quality NFL quarterback or you didn’t believe that he would be a quality NFL quarterback. That’s it. Those are literally the only two plausible explanations for saying “please let that happen.” The trade is merely a bad attempt at a red herring. So which one is it? Because, personally, I find it hard to believe that you’d be hoping that the Jets would draft a quality NFL quarterback... but you never know.

AndyJohnson said:

The jets were drafting one of the top QBs in any event.
I wanted them to have to trade next years 1 in order to do it.
The point being that it would be foolish to trade next years 1 to have the pick of the QBs who weren’t that far apart in projections instead of sitting tight and getting one any way.
Not that hard to understand unless you are trying to twist my words into something they don’t mean in a perverted attempt to prove you knew what I meant and I don’t.

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The only way NY makes that deal is if they feel strongly that mayfield>darnold and that he’s clearly the best qb in the draft. If that’s the case is another 1st rounder that steep of a price to grab what you feel is a franchise qb? Which team would actually be doing the fleecing?

KontradictioN said:

Given your opinions on Mayfield last year, you'll forgive me if I take this with a grain of salt.

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Lombardi's Mayfield comments look real dumb about now too. Where are you on Rosen, think he has it? From what little I saw in Arizona, didn't inspire confidence.

Ok after spending time watching the QBs again here's my list
Rosen if available
Lock running ability outstanding Rocket arm tough can take hits.
Grier that damn height if he was 6ft 2 hes a top 10 pick puts the ball on the money enough arm strength for the nfl gamer fiery competitor mature.
Stidham great arm strength takes too long to wind up at times and release the ball at times pinpoint accuracy other times wtf throws doesn't progress thru reads well this can all be coached good project maybe a gamer in 2 to 3 seasons.
Jackson arm is Mahommes like runs a long strider like a slower cam Newton footwork in the pocket is Bledsoe or Leftwich like a statue back there seems to go to second and sometimes third reads could be the best QB In this class if staff is patient and he is a student of the game wouldn't hate him in the third or fourth he has a special special arm you can't coach it.
Jones
I feel Jones is being overhyped his running ability is underrated when the option is there but he will get killed.
See Carson Wentz
His mechanics are the most pro ready but that Arm is weak and he doesn't scan the field which is crazy being he was watching film with Peyton and being coached by Cudliffe.
He looks like a QB passes the eye test protected the ball and was a very good game manager we could look at the lack of weapons at Duke and say with those kind of stats with those guys what could he do with a Josh Gordon and Julian Edelman.
I trust the team in their evaluations but I feel he is a safe pick but he will never get people to say it was a smooth transition after Tom.

Froob said:

Lombardi's Mayfield comments look real dumb about now too. Where are you on Rosen, think he has it? From what little I saw in Arizona, didn't inspire confidence.

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Nah. You can see it when his internal clock gets sped up.

ChrisR2223 said:

Ok after spending time watching the QBs again here's my list
Rosen if available
Lock running ability outstanding Rocket arm tough can take hits.
Grier that damn height if he was 6ft 2 hes a top 10 pick puts the ball on the money enough arm strength for the nfl gamer fiery competitor mature.

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Will Grier is 6ft 2.

Ras-IR Dowling said:

Will Grier is 6ft 2.

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Wow my friend told me he was 5ft11 ok then thank you

ChrisR2223 said:

Jackson arm is Mahommes like runs a long strider like a slower cam Newton footwork in the pocket is Bledsoe or Leftwich like a statue back there seems to go to second and sometimes third reads could be the best QB In this class if staff is patient and he is a student of the game wouldn't hate him in the third or fourth he has a special special arm you can't coach it.

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Jackson strikes me as Mallett 2.0.

TinhWoodhead said:

Pats scouts apparently like all QB’s in this draft after further evaluation

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The Pats are looking for the thinking man's QB, which is probably not what the rest of the NFL is looking for. Someone who has a lot of brains to grasp a difficult offense and play in it seamlessly. Someone who doesn't necessarily have the best physical skill set (except a quick release), but the best brain power, and a huge work ethic. Someone, you know, like the guy who they have now, who lasted to the 6th round, only younger.

DropKickFlutie said:

Montana came from Notre Dame when it was a powerhouse and thrived in adversity and big game environments.
Brady came from Michigan when it was a powerhouse and thrived in adversity and big game environments.

Just saying..

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With many of the non-top QB prospects, they came from such lousy teams that one could argue it is difficult to evaluate them. Only one came from a supposedly-powerhouse team last year, and that was Stidham. Auburn was supposed to be a very strong team last year, it was ranked 8th Nationally overall before the season. And with Stidham at QB, Auburn ended up losing 5 games and having a semi-catastrophe of a season (at least for a team like Auburn).

As you say, guys like Brady thrived in big game environments. Garopollo had some pretty big moments on a lousy team, and so did Brissett (just look at his Florida St games). I don't know, I'm not sure if Stidham really fits the Patriot profile.

KontradictioN said:

This is some fantastic mental gymnastics to avoid simply admitting you were wrong. Follow me here - when you said, and I quote, “please let that happen,” you either wanted the Jets to get a quarterback that you believe actually had a future as a quality NFL quarterback or you didn’t believe that he would be a quality NFL quarterback. That’s it. Those are literally the only two plausible explanations for saying “please let that happen.” The trade is merely a bad attempt at a red herring. So which one is it? Because, personally, I find it hard to believe that you’d be hoping that the Jets would draft a quality NFL quarterback... but you never know.

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So your argument is that I don’t know what I meant and you do?

I will say it one more time
The jets were drafting a qb.
They already wasted picks by moving up to 3 when they would have gotten one of the top rated QBs even without a move up.
The move up from 3 to 1 would have been stupid when they were absolutely getting a top rated QB at 3. So I was hoping they wolf threw away next years 1.
Mayfield is basically irrelevant to the conversation and only applicable because the rumor was the Browns were taking him.
I would have loved it just as much if they traded to 1 to take Darnold, or Rosen as well.

Ras-IR Dowling said:

The only way NY makes that deal is if they feel strongly that mayfield>darnold and that he’s clearly the best qb in the draft. If that’s the case is another 1st rounder that steep of a price to grab what you feel is a franchise qb? Which team would actually be doing the fleecing?

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It doesn’t work like that. You don’t know the future. You are only basing it upon liklihoods which were not far apart.
Additionally at the time the jets had said they traded up to 3 to get Darnold and he was their guy.