If BB was the HC in either basketball, hockey or baseball

assuming he could be as good a coach in any of those sports as he is in football, do you think he would be more or less successful (playoff appearances, champs, etc) in those sports?

Some things to keep in mind:
-cap
-series playoff format
-complexity

What do y’all think?

ALP said:

assuming he could be as good a coach in any of those sports as he is in football, do you think he would be more or less successful (playoff appearances, champs, etc) in those sports?

Some things to keep in mind:
-cap
-series playoff format
-complexity

What do y’all think?

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Would he have a " Tom Brady " on any of those teams?

Tony2046 said:

Would he have a " Tom Brady " on any of those teams?

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In so far as the 'intangibles' go it seems to me Bergeron is pretty damn close.

Less because his style would not work

with mandatory contracts that pamper some athletes.

I originally voted equal because he would be a brilliant coach and manager of men in any sport. Then I thought deeper about how much coaching matters in those other sports and football is the only one where coaching is hands down as important as the players. Tactics, gameplanning, and out coaching the other team is something that happens in football more then any other sport. It's called violent chess for a reason. So I changed my vote to less.

Knowing very little about soccer...
While watching I'm thinking these players seemingly boot it out of bounds, etc.
So undisciplined.
I'm thinking BB could build a team of intelligent,
disciplined players and RULE.

Curious how he would handle his composure as a baseball manager. The idea of BB arguing on the field with an umpire, kicking dirt and going chest to chest makes me laugh.

maust1013 said:

In so far as the 'intangibles' go it seems to me Bergeron is pretty damn close.

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What does this even mean

primetime said:

What does this even mean

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What part of it seems hard for you to grasp?

maust1013 said:

What part of it seems hard for you to grasp?

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It's just a meaningless statement. "Intangibles" is one of those handwavey things people say that doesn't mean anything at all. You may as well have just said "these are two players I personally like." Bergeron, as great as he is and as much as I love him, isn't a Tom Brady or else the Bruins would've won more than one Cup in his career.

Leaving out the guaranteed contracts part of it which would make it rough all on it's own it would be less in all three other sports but by different degrees.

Baseball: So I'd assume he would be a Moneyball disciple . If he landed in a big market like Theo he would win and in a small market would struggle like Beane.

Basketball: Epic fail It's all about the top end talent. Unless he happened upon a basketball equivalent to Brady he would be screwed. Duncan, Bird, Magic and a few other generational players.

Hockey: Best shot. Generally likeable hardworking guys in this sport. I think he could build a Patriots type roster here.

Tony2046 said:

Would he have a " Tom Brady " on any of those teams?

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ALP said:

What do y’all think?

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maust1013 said:

In so far as the 'intangibles' go it seems to me Bergeron is pretty damn close.

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IcyPatriot said:

Less because his style would not work

with mandatory contracts that pamper some athletes.

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Equally successful...And, equally hated (only at pre-Patriots level...there is no franchise in sports as denigrated as us)

primetime said:

It's just a meaningless statement. "Intangibles" is one of those handwavey things people say that doesn't mean anything at all. You may as well have just said "these are two players I personally like." Bergeron, as great as he is and as much as I love him, isn't a Tom Brady or else the Bruins would've won more than one Cup in his career.

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I didn't say Bergeron is Brady, that's nonsense, but if you don't believe intangibles (as in things there's no hard measure for that lead to W's) aren't a huge part of what makes both of them exceptional players you do not have the grasp of sports I thought you did. Seeing the game at a level beyond what most see, leadership, toughness, football/hockey IQ, preparedness, being a good team mate, setting an example for others to aspire to, paying the price to push through and doing it the right way are all key elements of the difference between a very good player a great one and not a one of them has a metric but we all recognize them when we see them.

maust1013 said:

I didn't say Bergeron is Brady, that's nonsense, but if you don't believe intangibles (as in things there's no hard measure for that lead to W's) aren't a huge part of what makes both of them exceptional players you do not have the grasp of sports I thought you did. Seeing the game at a level beyond what most see, leadership, toughness, football/hockey IQ, preparedness, being a good team mate, setting an example for others to aspire to, paying the price to push through and doing it the right way are all key elements of the difference between a very good player a great one and not a one of them has a metric but we all recognize them when we see them.

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I believe that fans talking in generalities about intangibles is mostly just confirmation bias. Good players have "good intangibles," bad players don't. You've literally done that here, making good intangibles a prerequisite to be a great player. But that's clearly untrue, many great players succeed despite themselves and many smart role models who everyone loves fail. Often this all occurs without fans being the wiser.

We don't really know anything about these people other than what we see them do on TV, and what they do that isn't "intangible."

But Bergeron isn't Brady, he's not the greatest player of all-time in his sport. Hockey Coach Belichick isn't getting the same advantage from Bergeron that he is from Brady.

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I didn't say Bergeron is Brady, that's nonsense, but if you don't believe intangibles (as in things there's no hard measure for that lead to W's) aren't a huge part of what makes both of them exceptional players you do not have the grasp of sports I thought you did. Seeing the game at a level beyond what most see, leadership, toughness, football/hockey IQ, preparedness, being a good team mate, setting an example for others to aspire to, paying the price to push through and doing it the right way are all key elements of the difference between a very good player a great one and not a one of them has a metric but we all recognize them when we see them.

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Playing through a punctured lung, separated shoulder, broken rib and a broken nose in the Stanley Cup Finals vs. the Blackhawks sounds pretty tangible to me.

primetime said:

But Bergeron isn't Brady, he's not the greatest player of all-time in his sport. Hockey Coach Belichick isn't getting the same advantage from Bergeron that he is from Brady.

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And at no point did I say he was. That's too straight up andyish for me to go any further with this. Have a good one, enjoy what's left of the game

maust1013 said:

And at no point did I say he was. That's too straight up andyish for me to go any further with this. Have a good one, enjoy what's left of the game

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Sorry man, talk about "intangibles" is a pet peeve because it's a way to make an argument that's not falsifiable with the information that's available to us.

Actual Pats Fan said:

Playing through a punctured lung, separated shoulder, broken rib and a broken nose in the Stanley Cup Finals vs. the Blackhawks sounds pretty tangible to me.

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Apparently that type of grit only matters to some of us

maust1013 said:

In so far as the 'intangibles' go it seems to me Bergeron is pretty damn close.

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I'm pretty sure he means, does he have a HOF caliber player in any of those sports.

Kdo5 said:

I'm pretty sure he means, does he have a HOF caliber player in any of those sports.

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No clearly what he meant was being perceived as a good teammate and gritty. Brady and Jared Dudley have a lot in common, Belichick would bring the Nets a championship for sure.