Gost is back: Two-year deal

supafly said:

Gost is a fine kicker and I’m glad that he’s back, but these numbers aren’t right. Hell, he missed XPs in playoff games in both the 2015 and 2016 seasons, alone.

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@TommyD4207 and @QuantumMechanic

Normally, I don’t bother asking, but my statement is so straightforward that I’m curious.

Gostkowski missed an XP in the 2015 AFCCG and again in the 2016 SB. What could you possibly be disagreeing with?

HailHydra said:

I mean Bailey at 1 mill is a much better deal

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Kenneth Sims said:

I might be the culprit. To my credit, I didn’t say Gost would end up signing for only $ 1 million but rather compared him to Bailey who has a similar FG accuracy percentage to make the point that it was a buyer’s market this offseason for kickers.

Dan Bailey could have used Gost’s agent.

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Have you seen Dan Bailey lately?

Makes me wonder if the Cowboys have the best ST/FG coaching and the best long snapper and holder. As soon as Bailey left he started sucking badly. One of the more puzzling things I've seen this past season.

Pape said:

The 100% guys
Tommy Brooker
Paul Edinger

the 99.00% - 99.99% guys
Rian Lindell
Billy Cundiff
Justin Tucker
Matt Stover
Mike Vanderjagt
Garrett Hartley
Nate Kaeding
Tommy Davis
Jason Elam
Jeff Wilkins
Rob Bironas
Jay Feely
Josh Brown
Shaun Suisham
Alex Henery
Richie Cunningham
Gary Anderson
Joe Nedney
Martin Gramatica
Todd Peterson
Connor Barth
Jeff Reed
Norm Johnson
Dan Bailey
Jose Cortez

anything else?

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Hmmm, I wonder if something changed about extra points sometime after most of those players stopped playing.

reamer said:

Hmmm, I wonder if something changed about extra points sometime after most of those players stopped playing.

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don't care. doesn't matter, gave him what he asked for. Because we both know he was trying to prove something. It didn't work.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Not really.Brady has thrown 4 ints in a game only 6 times in his career, none in the playoffs and none in important games late in the season.
1) '01 vs Den week 7
2) '03 week 1 vs Buf (31-0 Lawyer Milloy fallout game)
3) '04 vs Miami week 14 weird 29-28 game ( meaningless game)
4) '05 week 11 vs KC
5) '06 week 8 vs Indy
6) '11 week 11 vs Buf.

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Keeping the Buffalo win streak alive wasn't important? Not to mention we blew a 21 point lead.

Hammer of Thor said:

Schefter said 2 years, 8.5 million. I’m sure Miguel will get the full details soon.

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So, about the same as in previous years....me likey!

FT for kickers was set at 4.971M. We saved about 700K annually....nice!

Pape said:

don't care. doesn't matter, gave him what he asked for. Because we both know he was trying to prove something. It didn't work.

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I'm not going to get caught up in the debate, but I'd recommend bowing out.

Pape said:

The point that people are making is that those missed kicks did hurt the Patriots chances. That does not mitigate any other mistakes that were made in any particular game, but at the same time, the effect of what did transpire in the kicking game needs to be considered, and accounted for. That is something that pro-gostkowski fans don't want to consider, let alone admit. (personally i would characterize myself as ambivalent towards gostkowski).

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We do consider what transpired in the kicking game and account for it. We simply also account for the reality of percentages.

He should never miss an XP. But even the greatest kicker ever sometimes will.

It's never ok to miss a free throw. But the greatest FT shooter in history sometimes will.

It's never ok to not get a hit with a runner in scoring position. But the greatest hitter in history will fail to the majority of the time.

It's never ok to throw an INT. But the GOAT sometimes will.

If there's a kicker available right now that has anything close to the amount of attempted playoff kicks as Gostkowski that has 0 misses on their resume, then I too will start to wonder why we didn't look at him. Until then, yes, I do belive the criticism of Ghost isn't based in reality.

Pape said:

The 100% guys
Tommy Brooker
Paul Edinger

the 99.00% - 99.99% guys
Rian Lindell
Billy Cundiff
Justin Tucker
Matt Stover
Mike Vanderjagt
Garrett Hartley
Nate Kaeding
Tommy Davis
Jason Elam
Jeff Wilkins
Rob Bironas
Jay Feely
Josh Brown
Shaun Suisham
Alex Henery
Richie Cunningham
Gary Anderson
Joe Nedney
Martin Gramatica
Todd Peterson
Connor Barth
Jeff Reed
Norm Johnson
Dan Bailey
Jose Cortez

anything else?

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Cool. Would you now like to subtract the guys on that list that pre-date the XP being moved back? Because if I'm not mistaken, Stephen's first miss didn't happen until after that, having hit over 500 straight.

I’m glad to be wrong on this one.

This didn’t age well no.

robertweathers said:

Jason Myers has done jack ****. Paying him $4m? Please.

Kickers miss kicks. Kickers miss kicks in the playoffs. Its a fact. AV has missed 14 kicks in the playoffs.

Here is your answer...

Gost in the playoffs:
96% XP
89% FG

Reminder: He cliched the SB w/ a minute left from 41yds out.

Short memory you have.

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And on top of that Jason Myers missed the same amount of kicks as Ghost did this season if you tally up FG and XP together. Justin Tucker being snubbed for the Pro Bowl was a joke.

reamer said:

I'm not going to get caught up in the debate, but I'd recommend bowing out.

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as i said before, i'm not dying on a hill disparaging or defending Gostkowski. But there is no reason to avoid a discussion. Its the off season, what else is there to do when one is wasting time at work?

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

We do consider what transpired in the kicking game and account for it. We simply also account for the reality of percentages.

If there's a kicker available right now that has anything close to the amount of attempted playoff kicks as Gostkowski that has 0 misses on their resume, then I too will start to wonder why we didn't look at him. Until then, yes, I do belive the criticism of Ghost isn't based in reality.

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The reality is this - He missed some big kicks. People have differing opinions regarding the player and the effects of said missed kicks.

Pape said:

The 100% guys
Tommy Brooker
Paul Edinger

the 99.00% - 99.99% guys
Rian Lindell
Billy Cundiff
Justin Tucker
Matt Stover
Mike Vanderjagt
Garrett Hartley
Nate Kaeding
Tommy Davis
Jason Elam
Jeff Wilkins
Rob Bironas
Jay Feely
Josh Brown
Shaun Suisham
Alex Henery
Richie Cunningham
Gary Anderson
Joe Nedney
Martin Gramatica
Todd Peterson
Connor Barth
Jeff Reed
Norm Johnson
Dan Bailey
Jose Cortez

anything else?

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Which of these kickers are better than Ghost? Only Justin Tucker.

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

Cool. Would you now like to subtract the guys on that list that pre-date the XP being moved back? Because if I'm not mistaken, Stephen's first miss didn't happen until after that, having hit over 500 straight.

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Cool, would you like to provide me with certain eras in football where 1) the specialization of kickers began, 2) certain rule changes were applied to the kicking game 3) where we can start to separate the advancements of training regimes?

There are a lot of variables that have occurred in the kicking game that would need to be accounted for. You cant just cherry pick the most recent one and decide all the rest are irrelevant to be considered. Tommy Brooker was a 100% xp kicker in the 1960's, before all the advancements in the kicking game.

Pape said:

There are a lot of variables that have occurred in the kicking game that would need to be accounted for. .

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There are also a lot of other variables with a kicker in general such as kickoffs which Gost is outstanding at. Something you seem to ignore as well as the fact (as mentioned) that bringing up missed PATs from Gost and comparing them to the guys who did not miss (pre new rules) was pretty interesting if not kinda strange.

Pape said:

The reality is this - He missed some big kicks. People have differing opinions regarding the player and the effects of said missed kicks.

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No, people acknowledge he missed some big kicks. Every kicker has - that is the point.

Pape said:

Cool, would you like to provide me with certain eras in football where 1) the specialization of kickers began, 2) certain rule changes were applied to the kicking game 3) where we can start to separate the advancements of training regimes?

There are a lot of variables that have occurred in the kicking game that would need to be accounted for. You cant just cherry pick the most recent one and decide all the rest are irrelevant to be considered. Tommy Brooker was a 100% xp kicker in the 1960's, before all the advancements in the kicking game.

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Well is Tommy Brooker thinking of making a comeback? If not, and Justin Tucker isn't available in a trade, then there isn't better option.

Bruins29 said:

No, people acknowledge he missed some big kicks. Every kicker has - that is the point.

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The point is not whether other kickers have missed kicks. The point is Gostkowski has missed kicks in big games and people have differing opinions about the overall impact of those missed kicks.

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

Well is Tommy Brooker thinking of making a comeback? If not, and Justin Tucker isn't available in a trade, then there isn't better option.

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So that's a no on my request? I get it, can't make a point one way, try to push it in another direction.

Is Tommy Brooker available? Honestly, I don't know. We could ask - I'm sure he'd be tickled pink if the team were to ask him to try out. But at 79 years old, i'd think his chances of making the roster are slim.

Is there a better option? I don't know. Right now probably not. That's why he was resigned. But one never knows. I mean, who would have thought the GOAT would have been found in the 6th round of a pretty awful qb class.

Pape said:

The point is not whether other kickers have missed kicks. The point is Gostkowski has nissed kicks in big games and people have differing opinions about the overall impact of those missed kicks.

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For the record, I will never blame a loss on a kick missed in the 1st half, just as I will never blame a loss on a INT or fumble or missed tackle with 37 minutes left to play in a game.

Too often people just look at the difference at the end of a game and conclude every play call, every decision and every result would have gone exactly the same even aftef changing the points scorsd early on. But there is certainly a butterfly effect in sports.