Rodgers sucks

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Let me tell you what I’ve found from observation when it comes to men, in Yoda’s words:

Gay or gay not
There is no bi

It’s largly a “soften the blow” tactic. Unfortunately our society is less accepting of gay people. I’m not gay/bi but almost everyone I know agrees with this take 100% because a “bi” man always winds up eventually taking th step further and acknowledging he’s gay. And women get burned with the “he’s bi, so it will work out” thing all the time.

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I think the spectrum theory makes a lot more sense than that.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Let me tell you what I’ve found from observation when it comes to men, in Yoda’s words:

Gay or gay not
There is no bi

It’s largly a “soften the blow” tactic. Unfortunately our society is less accepting of gay people. I’m not gay/bi but almost everyone I know agrees with this take 100% because a “bi” man always winds up eventually taking th step further and acknowledging he’s gay. And women get burned with the “he’s bi, so it will work out” thing all the time.

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Let’s just call it what it is. All this agony over simple mathematics and reality disturbs me.

What did the sjw see in a battery? Nothing, too horrendously insane to understand poles, gravity as well as any other concept about pretty much anything

Froob said:

I think the spectrum theory makes a lot more sense than that.

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May just be limited to my own observations.

miloofcroton said:

He is an amazing talent, but he's proof that you need more than talent to be a winner.

The only thing that I'll say in his defense is that the Packers coaching staff and front office didn't hold up their end of the deal either. Yet another mismanaged NFL team.

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Rodgers' career record is 100-57-1 (.637), which is amazing. He's also 10-7 in the playoffs, which is terrific. He's won 5 division titles and 1 Super Bowl title. He's a winner by any definition of the word. He's also won 2 MVPs.

I mean, he's not a Tom Brady-level winner, but then again, nobody in the history of the sport is that kind of winner. Rodgers has had a fantastic career and is a big-time winner. Turns out he's also quite a jerk it seems, and the story that came out last week actually informs my view of his family dispute (which I know little about); that is, it seems like he holds grudges and doesn't let go of problems and isn't very good at relationships. So maybe he could have been an even bigger winner had he improved his relational and leadership skills, but there's no way anyone can claim, with a straight face, that Rodgers isn't a winner.

ivanvamp said:

Rodgers' career record is 100-57-1 (.637), which is amazing. He's also 10-7 in the playoffs, which is terrific. He's won 5 division titles and 1 Super Bowl title. He's a winner by any definition of the word. He's also won 2 MVPs.

I mean, he's not a Tom Brady-level winner, but then again, nobody in the history of the sport is that kind of winner. Rodgers has had a fantastic career and is a big-time winner. Turns out he's also quite a jerk it seems, and the story that came out last week actually informs my view of his family dispute (which I know little about); that is, it seems like he holds grudges and doesn't let go of problems and isn't very good at relationships. So maybe he could have been an even bigger winner had he improved his relational and leadership skills, but there's no way anyone can claim, with a straight face, that Rodgers isn't a winner.

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Joe Flacco is 96-67 (.589), and 10-5 in the playoffs. Also has a SB Win.

Joe Flacco has 18 4th quarter comebacks.
Aaron Rodgers has 14 4th quarter comebacks.

Flacco's contract was AAV $20mm/yr. Rodgers is $30mm/yr.

Yet Joe Flacco is recognized (and rightfully so), as marginally better than a journeyman, and Rodgers gets GOAT discussion.

Why?

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Let me tell you what I’ve found from observation when it comes to men, in Yoda’s words:

Gay or gay not
There is no bi

It’s largly a “soften the blow” tactic. Unfortunately our society is less accepting of gay people. I’m not gay/bi but almost everyone I know agrees with this take 100% because a “bi” man always winds up eventually taking th step further and acknowledging he’s gay. And women get burned with the “he’s bi, so it will work out” thing all the time.

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Given all the weird kinks out there and sometimes extreme stuff that can turn people on you really think that it is so out of the world to think someone could be sexually aroused by both genders ?

Rodgers is also massively expensive. With little help around him, he'll continue to be under massive scrutiny until he starts winning.

TommyD4207 said:

Joe Flacco is 96-67 (.589), and 10-5 in the playoffs. Also has a SB Win.

Joe Flacco has 18 4th quarter comebacks.
Aaron Rodgers has 14 4th quarter comebacks.

Flacco's contract was AAV $20mm/yr. Rodgers is $30mm/yr.

Yet Joe Flacco is recognized (and rightfully so), as marginally better than a journeyman, and Rodgers gets GOAT discussion.

Why?

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Because GOAT discussions are about more than just winning. Terry Bradshaw was a tremendous winner - great winning %, four SB titles. But he's not in the conversation for GOAT because he just wasn't a great passer. Good for his day but not GREAT. Certainly not GOAT level great.

Look at their career numbers:

Flacco: 61.7%, 38,245 yds, 6.4 ay/a, 212 td, 136 int, 84.1 rating
Rodgers: 64.8%, 42,944 yds, 8.1 ay/a, 338 td, 80 int, 103.1 rating

I mean, their passing numbers aren't even in the same universe. So GOAT conversations are about more than "just" winning. In order to be in that conversation, you need to be both a tremendous winner AND have tremendous numbers. Rodgers has both.

But this conversation is about *winning*, not *GOAT*. And there's no doubt that Rodgers has been a big-time winner. Not Brady-level winner, but a winner nonetheless. That's not really debatable.

Rogers has the highest QB rating of all time and 2 MVPs while Flacco's is low 80's. Flacco played exceptional in the playoffs in the Ravens Superbowl year but his comparison is Eli Manning and not Rogers. No comparison to Rogers.

That said, Rogers is overrated in my opinion. He has played his entire career in the most favorable era for a QB (whereas Brady's first 5 or 6 years were played under different circumstances) so his numbers are inflated. His lack of comebacks and signature moments (besides Hail Mary's) is a mark against him.

Top 10 of all time but not in the discussion for GOAT.

ivanvamp said:

Because GOAT discussions are about more than just winning. Terry Bradshaw was a tremendous winner - great winning %, four SB titles. But he's not in the conversation for GOAT because he just wasn't a great passer. Good for his day but not GREAT. Certainly not GOAT level great.

Look at their career numbers:

Flacco: 61.7%, 38,245 yds, 6.4 ay/a, 212 td, 136 int, 84.1 rating
Rodgers: 64.8%, 42,944 yds, 8.1 ay/a, 338 td, 80 int, 103.1 rating

I mean, their passing numbers aren't even in the same universe. So GOAT conversations are about more than "just" winning. In order to be in that conversation, you need to be both a tremendous winner AND have tremendous numbers. Rodgers has both.

But this conversation is about *winning*, not *GOAT*. And there's no doubt that Rodgers has been a big-time winner. Not Brady-level winner, but a winner nonetheless. That's not really debatable.

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That's the understatement of the century.

Brady: 207 wins-60 losses
Rodgers 100 wins-57 losses-1 tie

Playoffs:

Brady:30-wins-10 losses
Rodgers: 9 wins-7 losses

SuperBowls:

Brady: 6 wins/3 losses
Rodgers: 1 win

You take out any of Brady's 6 wins and still has 5 SuperBowls and a 27-10 record (73%). You take out Rodgers' 2010 run and he's 6-7 (46%) in the playoffs with no SuperBowl appearances.

These two should not be put together in the same sentence. Rodgers is not in the GOAT discussion. He's not in the Top 5 ever discussion.

The best parallel to Aaron Rodgers I can think of is Steve Young. Both were human highlight reel guys who nevertheless only mustered 1 ring, and weren't really known for being 4th quarter comeback kind of guys. But Steve Young was a lot more dominant in his 1992-1998 prime than Rodgers was. That 1992-1993-1994 run puts everything Rodgers ever did in the shade, and to win his ring he had to beat the Cowboys in the middle of their dynasty run and then threw 6 TDs in the Super Bowl.

sean10mm said:

The best parallel to Aaron Rodgers I can think of is Steve Young. Both were human highlight reel guys who nevertheless only mustered 1 ring, and weren't really known for being 4th quarter comeback kind of guys. But Steve Young was a lot more dominant in his 1992-1998 prime than Rodgers was. That 1992-1993-1994 run puts everything Rodgers ever did in the shade, and to win his ring he had to beat the Cowboys in the middle of their dynasty run and then threw 6 TDs in the Super Bowl.

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Ahem, Steve Young is a 3 time Super Bowl Champion. Just saying.

luuked said:

Given all the weird kinks out there and sometimes extreme stuff that can turn people on you really think that it is so out of the world to think someone could be sexually aroused by both genders ?

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I think it definitely happens, but it’s not the case much of the time. People are far and away attracted to one gender or the other. Of course some are to both. But in many, many cases if a man says he’s a bisexual he’s predominantly attracted to men. Anyway I’ll bow out because I don’t want to claim to be an expert and be ignorant. This is just from my personal observation which is obviously a mere sliver of a sliver of the population.

Here I was thinking this thread was about Aaron's mediocrity only to come find out it's really about whether Rodgers sucks **** or not!

Now you've got me wondering damn it! Olivia Munn talks about how she likes to have sex all the time. Aaron Rodgers dates Olivia Munn. Rodgers helps Munn's career, Munn helps Rodgers appear heterosexual. The theories going thru my head now! Damn you Ice_Ice_Brady!

On a more serious note, I sure hope Rodgers isn't gay. That would mean we really haven't come that far after all as a society. Then again seeing Michael Sam being treated like Michael Sam the gay football player instead of Michael Sam the football player as he asked to be treated by the media already showed we really haven't come that far at all. So sad.

Wheelman said:

Ahem, Steve Young is a 3 time Super Bowl Champion. Just saying.

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In the same way Jimmy G is a multiple champion, yeah.

sean10mm said:

In the same way Jimmy G is a multiple champion, yeah.

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Hell yes! Do we win those Super Bowls without Jimmy? Probably not.

Wheelman said:

Hell yes! Do we win those Super Bowls without Jimmy? Probably not.

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Maybe we should put him in the Pats HoF then.

sean10mm said:

The best parallel to Aaron Rodgers I can think of is Steve Young. Both were human highlight reel guys who nevertheless only mustered 1 ring, and weren't really known for being 4th quarter comeback kind of guys. But Steve Young was a lot more dominant in his 1992-1998 prime than Rodgers was. That 1992-1993-1994 run puts everything Rodgers ever did in the shade, and to win his ring he had to beat the Cowboys in the middle of their dynasty run and then threw 6 TDs in the Super Bowl.

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I decided to look up the Approximate Value for every QB on ProFootballReference. These are the QB's rated ahead of Rodgers - 150;

Active
Brady - 223
Brees - 207
Rivers - 164
Rapistberger - 157

Inactive
P Manning - 271
Favre - 255
Tarkenton - 236
Marino - 216
Elway - 203
Young - 171
Moon - 166
Montana - 166
Fouts - 162
Ken Anderson - 161

luuked said:

Maybe we should put him in the Pats HoF then.

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HELL NO!!!! Didn't like the way he left!!

Wheelman said:

Ahem, Steve Young is a 3 time Super Bowl Champion. Just saying.

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And Tom Owen got a ring with the 49ers too!