Anybody else hate the rule change to review pass interference?

mgteich · Mar 31, 2019

bormio said:
Want to review holding that wasn’t called - good luck with that

Now offensive holding DOES INDEED happen on almost every play. The issue is that each team of refs needs to be consistent during a game.

Ring 6 · Mar 31, 2019

Ian said:
The thing that is going to be interesting is to see the percentage increase of late game deep attempts when an opponent is trailing, trying to draw the flag and how successful they are at it. I think it's going to be a mess and could be game-changing in a few games next year.

The other issue is that pass interference is a call that has to be interpreted that way by the officials, with not necessarily a clear-cut definition there on each one (aside from what happened in the NFC Championship game - which was blatant and lead to this change to begin with). It'll be curious to see how it turns out, for sure.

Will that mean the refs call stands unless it’s egregious? I hope so.
I could also see overturning if he was in position to see the play.

Urgent · Mar 31, 2019

There are no more challenges than before.
There won’t be a noticeable increase in challenges.
This only allows an additional thing to be challenged within the existing framework of challenges.

Will coaches be more willing to challenge late in games for a close pass interference call? The timeouts will be just as precious.

Wheelman · Mar 31, 2019

Yes, I've always been against it. Belichick is on wrong on this. He'll learn this soon.

patfanken · Mar 31, 2019

AndyJohnson said:
Will that mean the refs call stands unless it’s egregious? I hope so.
I could also see overturning if he was in position to see the play.

That's the problem, what is one man's definition of "egregious" might not be another's, and THAT opens up a whole new set of problems.

Was the Gilmore hand grab of Cooks "egregious". Would a bump be "egregious". I'm starting to like saying the word "egregious". But at any rate, when instant replay was brought into existence, its purpose what to correct, so called "egregious" calls. Now they spend minutes going over 12 different angles from 12 different cameras trying to dissect every nuance of a play.

I know it helped the Pats, but the overturning of the Edelman touch/non-touch in the KC game is a great example of this. If the call had gone the other way, would it have been "egregious"? Now I believe he didn't actually touch the ball, and after the Edelman pick didn't change the game, BUT.....

So the reality is this rule isn't going to solve the issue of correcting "egregious" calls, but rather it will be abused (and rightly so) by coaches who will point out how a receiver was hit 7 yds down the field on a pass that was overthrown by 5 yds, and by my interpretation of the rule, they will have to get that flag.

Think about all the jostling between receivers and defenders in the endzone on hail mary's. If these go into play why not look at 12 angles to see if a defender bumped a receiver before the ball gets there. In other words its a recipe for ANOTHER NFL self inflicted disaster.

That being said, they COULD improve the rule by DEFINING the term "egregious". By having some severe penalty for a coach who frivolously throws a flag hoping for a prayer to be answered. And most importantly, eliminating the 2 minute booth review. Make it the coach's responsibility to throw those flags and give them just 2 challenges per game PERIOD. With the booth review, virtually EVERY pass play in the final 2 minutes of a close game is going to be reviewed. It almost has to be. In the end it looks to be like 40+ points per game will be the norm, because how can defenders play if they can't even subtly make contact with a receiver.

Sometimes when you institute a new rule there will be "unforeseen consequences". In this case the "consequences" are clear AND obvious.

Ring 6 · Mar 31, 2019

patfanken said:
That's the problem, what is one man's definition of "egregious" might not be another's, and THAT opens up a whole new set of problems.

Was the Gilmore hand grab of Cooks "egregious". Would a bump be "egregious". I'm starting to like saying the word "egregious". But at any rate, when instant replay was brought into existence, its purpose what to correct, so called "egregious" calls. Now they spend minutes going over 12 different angles from 12 different cameras trying to dissect every nuance of a play.

I know it helped the Pats, but the overturning of the Edelman touch/non-touch in the KC game is a great example of this. If the call had gone the other way, would it have been "egregious"? Now I believe he didn't actually touch the ball, and after the Edelman pick didn't change the game, BUT.....

So the reality is this rule isn't going to solve the issue of correcting "egregious" calls, but rather it will be abused (and rightly so) by coaches who will point out how a receiver was hit 7 yds down the field on a pass that was overthrown by 5 yds, and by my interpretation of the rule, they will have to get that flag.

Think about all the jostling between receivers and defenders in the endzone on hail mary's. If these go into play why not look at 12 angles to see if a defender bumped a receiver before the ball gets there. In other words its a recipe for ANOTHER NFL self inflicted disaster.

That being said, they COULD improve the rule by DEFINING the term "egregious". By having some severe penalty for a coach who frivolously throws a flag hoping for a prayer to be answered. And most importantly, eliminating the 2 minute booth review. Make it the coach's responsibility to throw those flags and give them just 2 challenges per game PERIOD. With the booth review, virtually EVERY pass play in the final 2 minutes of a close game is going to be reviewed. It almost has to be. In the end it looks to be like 40+ points per game will be the norm, because how can defenders play if they can't even subtly make contact with a receiver.

Sometimes when you institute a new rule there will be "unforeseen consequences". In this case the "consequences" are clear AND obvious.

The best we can hope for is booth reviews are only called when it’s blatant.

sambam94 · Mar 31, 2019

beyond dumb....PI is subjective on many occasions. I can deal with a subjective call on the field...not during review

Chevrolet · Mar 31, 2019

It is a terrible rule. Can you imagine if this rule had been in place when Gronk played. There were so many blatant PI's not called on him.

A MUCH better rule change would hvae been to change PI to 15 yards only, so it would not have such ab huge impact on games.

Pat the Pats Fan · Mar 31, 2019

Jump ball joe likes this rule....

Nehalem · Mar 31, 2019

Pat the Pats Fan said:
Jump ball joe likes this rule....

Broncos looking pretty smart right now

Koma · Mar 31, 2019

aluminum seats said:
I don’t love instant replay in general, because it seems to make the game less exciting....there’s a pause in your emotions watching...eh, that’ll be overturned...but I think it works for turnovers and some of these clearer things. Interference? It’s gonna be a cluster@#!%

That's my perspective as well. When the Patriots (or, in general, any team) makes a big play on offense or defense, you have to wait and see if there is a penalty or not. With the new rule, you'll see a "clean" play, but still have to wait to see if there is a coaching challenge or booth review that a PI penalty should have been called or that a PI penalty that was in your team's favor shouldn't have been called. There are going to be times when it works in the Patriots favor, so it's not going to be all negative. I am in favor of the correct call being made, but I'm not a big fan of the delays that are part of the process.

Patstopia · Mar 31, 2019

Every deep pass at the end of the game will be challenged. Every pass play in that time period will require a review. So no need for a time out when you can throw a deep pass and wait for the review. No 2 quick pass plays, because they will be looking for penalties. So each pass will slow the ending even more. Plus these dimwits will still FU the whole thing up. They need to legalize all the obvious every down hand fighting and grappling that occurs or else the last 2 minutes will take an hour.

Joker · Mar 31, 2019

when has anything this nitwit Goodell has instituted been good for the game?

QuantumMechanic · Mar 31, 2019

Joker said:
when has anything this nitwit Goodell has instituted been good for the game?

This one is way more the owners than on Goodell. Also, by all reports BB was vocally in favor of it at the meetings.

LJRomanoff · Mar 31, 2019

Koma said:
There are going to be times when it works in the Patriots favor, so it's not going to be all negative.

It's negative regardless because it's part of the transformation of the game into something unwatchable.

SuperStang83 · Mar 31, 2019

I hope it comes back to bite Sean Payton in the butt!

Nehalem · Mar 31, 2019

Its a horrible rule.

Basically imagine the whole catch/no-catch replays. But what counts as a catch is left entirely up to the referees discretion.

Interesting times! In the Chinese proverbial sense.

I guess we can at least look forward to years of the NFL trying to legislate the exact minutiae of what qualifies as pass interference.

Jlaff · Mar 31, 2019

signbabybrady said:

That's funny, people should watch that.

signbabybrady · Mar 31, 2019

Jlaff said:
That's funny, people should watch that.

I know right. I saw it this morning and texted it to a few people then I wanted to use it somehow and I thought it fit with the rule change b@#$&es.

Urgent · Mar 31, 2019

Patstopia said:
Every deep pass at the end of the game will be challenged. Every pass play in that time period will require a review. So no need for a time out when you can throw a deep pass and wait for the review. No 2 quick pass plays, because they will be looking for penalties. So each pass will slow the ending even more. Plus these dimwits will still FU the whole thing up. They need to legalize all the obvious every down hand fighting and grappling that occurs or else the last 2 minutes will take an hour.

You have exactly as many challenges as you had in 2018.

Anybody else hate the rule change to review pass interference?

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