Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

XLIX said:

And how many of those people who cut his hair and carry his bags also jerk him off?

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Haha. I hope none, but you’re missing the point probably intentionally that it’s not the act that’s illegal; it’s the solicitation of the act that is.

Bob’s attorney hugged the prosecutor (who is also his drinking buddy) and accepted the guilty charge, without any argument, citing unity and trying to avoid Bob‘s selfish agenda despite having every right to make a case for his client. Then he told Bob he hoped this would convince the prosecutor and the judge to go lighter on the sentencing, even though no such agreeemnt was discussed.

That’s the Deflategate version of this and what Bobby did to TB12. I see now that Bob plays hardball it’s his own neck on the line.

A non-starter. F-off Kraft. I hope the video gets released.

AndyJohnson said:

What? He suspected prostitution and trafficking. They have made 300 arrests including one for sex trafficking.
How did he make it up?

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Here's a recap of all investigations that I posted on the Kraft thread. All of this is obviously from the cops/prosecutors point if view.

Florida human trafficking ring, prostitution in massage parlors: The full story

Kenneth Sims said:

Haha. I hope none, but you’re missing the point probably intentionally that it’s not the act that’s illegal; it’s the solicitation of the act that is.

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Didn't ESPN already explain to us that it's only about the cover up and not the crime? Kraft better act fast before he makes Mark Brunnell cry again.

venecol said:

No it is not. Vero Beach was conducting an independent investigation unrelated to what was happening in Martin/Palm Beach. It was a coincidence. Once they found out they decided to cooperate, the reason why arrests happened concurrently but they were separate investigations. Nothing connected the establishments together. There are no human trafficking charges in the Martin/Palm Beach investigations, at least not yet, and so it is doubtful there will be. Even the Vero investigation may have difficulty proving their charges.

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Where does it say that they have given up the trafficking investigation, which is the erroneous claim I was responding to?

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Bob’s attorney hugged the prosecutor (who is also his drinking buddy) and accepted the guilty charge, without any argument, citing unity and trying to avoid Bob‘s selfish agenda despite having every right to make a case for his client. Then he told Bob he hoped this would convince the prosecutor and the judge to go lighter on the sentencing, even though no such agreeemnt was discussed.

That’s the Deflategate version of this and what Bobby did to TB12. I see now that Bob plays hardball it’s his own neck on the line.

A non-starter. F-off Kraft. I hope the video gets released.

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Yep it's very telling how Kraft acts when it's his ass on the line, especially when it's for something he probably actually did, as opposed to something that literally did not even occur.

Kraft is pathetic.

You like posting inexact links to buttress your incessant need to be right 100% of the time. It's extremely ANNOYING, Andy Johnson.

Prosecutors offer deal to drop prostitution solicitation case against Robert Kraft

"Kraft and the other men were charged in February in a police sting as part of a human trafficking probe focusing on massage parlors in Florida. Kraft was hit with two misdemeanor counts of soliciting prostitution, and has pleaded not guilty. The businessman was not accused of human trafficking"


"The businessman was not accused of human trafficking"

CNBC...do you dispute THEIR report and still cling to your erroneous claim that Kraft is being investigated for human trafficking? Are you going to continue to pound this error in a relentless jihad to prove YOU are right and everyone else is wrong? Just stop for once.

Looking forward to Kraft’s lawyers arguing that the surveillance tape is too blurry to definitively prove what’s going on and then it gets leaked and literally every member of the public with a set of eyes can instantly see he’s guilty.

Joker said:

You like posting inexact links to buttress your incessant need to be right 100% of the time. It's extremely ANNOYING, Andy Johnson.

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I was told that the investigation into trafficking was dropped and I could google it to prove it.
I googled it and the first thing that came up was an article about a trafficking arrest made in the case and that it was still ongoing.
I was then told it’s over because “TMZ heard it was”

Prosecutors offer deal to drop prostitution solicitation case against Robert Kraft

"Kraft and the other men were charged in February in a police sting as part of a human trafficking probe focusing on massage parlors in Florida. Kraft was hit with two misdemeanor counts of soliciting prostitution, and has pleaded not guilty. The businessman was not accused of human trafficking"


"The businessman was not accused of human trafficking"

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Please tell me where I have ever said that kraft was involved in, accused of, or charged with trafficking?

CNBC...do you dispute THEIR report and still cling to your erroneous claim that Kraft is being investigated for human trafficking?

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How can I cling to something I never said thought or believed?

Are you going to continue to pound this error in a relentless jihad to prove YOU are right and everyone else is wrong? Just stop for once.

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I’ve already proven I am right that there is a legitimate trafficking investigation going on.
I never mentioned, implied or intended to suggest kraft was part of trafficking.
Kraft bought a hand job and blow job.
Whether those that provider the prostitute were trafficking is a separate matter.
People are suggesting that kraft is innocent of soliciting a prostitute because the trafficking investigation produced nothing. That is both irrelevant to krafts guilt and incorrect.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Bob’s attorney hugged the prosecutor (who is also his drinking buddy) and accepted the guilty charge, without any argument, citing unity and trying to avoid Bob‘s selfish agenda despite having every right to make a case for his client. Then he told Bob he hoped this would convince the prosecutor and the judge to go lighter on the sentencing, even though no such agreeemnt was discussed.

That’s the Deflategate version of this and what Bobby did to TB12. I see now that Bob plays hardball it’s his own neck on the line.

A non-starter. F-off Kraft. I hope the video gets released.

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One difference. Bob did it.

What exactly is Kraft’s endgame here considering the league doesn’t need a conviction to punish him anyway? Drawing this out might just make the league want to punish him harder for being such an embarrassment.

VectorPrime said:

What exactly is Kraft’s endgame here considering the league doesn’t need a conviction to punish him anyway? Drawing this out might just make the league want to punish him harder for being such an embarrassment.

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Plausible deniability.

Kraft has, as expected, turned down the SA's offer. It's still possible that he'll agree to a different PTD offer. We'll have to see what such an offer entails, if it is forthcoming.

VectorPrime said:

What exactly is Kraft’s endgame here considering the league doesn’t need a conviction to punish him anyway? Drawing this out might just make the league want to punish him harder for being such an embarrassment.

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To get it thrown out.

Steve:Section 102 said:

To get it thrown out.

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And then he misses 6 games and the tape gets “accidentally” leaked by a pissed off DA.

When does Kraft's team get to review the evidence they have against him?

Deus Irae said:

Kraft has, as expected, turned down the SA's offer. It's still possible that he'll agree to a different PTD offer. We'll have to see what such an offer entails, if it is forthcoming.

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McCann's piece offers up some insightful points.

Kraft’s next course of action after prosecutors offer plea deal

VectorPrime said:

And then he misses 6 games and the tape gets “accidentally” leaked by a pissed off DA.

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Oh that's definitely getting out. There's no way they aren't going to embarrass Kraft with it in the long run, IMO. TMZ or whomever will pay to get it. Then it's just whether or not Kraft wants to sue whoever leaks it, which I think he will.

The other posters have already drawn comparison to how Kraft caved to the league and left Brady out to dry. Now the shoe is on the other foot. I would wager he'll spend any amount to keep that video from getting out. When and if it does, IMO, he'll spend any mount to sue the chit out of whoever leaks it, assuming for a second they are able to get a judge to keep it out of the public.