2019 NE CAP SPACE

Family said:

The next moves are likely accounting based, nothing more. So why do anything until you have to?

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The one and only reason why anyone wants them to clear out more space is due to the fact that they believe that certain players or positions should be improved upon, and that there’s no available space to do so.

If you don’t subscribe to that theory and are happy with missing out on a vet receiver, edge player, swing tackle, etc, then there’s really no issue. Of course, we’d like to keep our current kicker, punter, and at least one of Humber, McClellan, so those should likely take immediate priority.

long distance said:

For all we know this covers all of the signings so far and also includes some touches to existing contract/s. We'll just have to wait for specifics before we press next panic/no panic buttons..

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SBLIII said:

If it covers all signings it's a lot better than anticipated actually.

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According to Hannable, the 5.5m dollar figure does not account for the recent signings, so I think we’re going to see some space freed up within the next couple/few days.

Hannable: Patriots’ current cap space problems can be traced back to poor drafting in recent seasons

AndyJohnson said:

With 1.4 mill we need to pay the ps (which is more than that) the 52nd and 53rd and have money to cover players that go on IR, and to acquire players during he season.



We also still need a OT3 a DE3 a WR2 (maybe more) a DT2.
Some of that could be augmented by the draft but that’s a lot to count on.

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1. They have 86 players accounted in 2019, if they make all this moves ( i don't think they will). So when the cut starts cap will rise(Lacosse beat by Izzo is one example). I am projecting deals that will be bigger so the cap will be way bigger too.

2. We are not paying Thuney way more than Mason for example. I just put top 5 deals for all FA to explain that WE CAN give competitve deals to ALL our main FA and still bring a FA if we needed to.

Maybe they Draft a OG this year and let Thuney walk and this money that i predicted will be use to bring other pieces.

I don't believe they will pay KVN anywhere close to 10M per, but i projected this.

They will have money my point is that.

They are in good shape cap wise.

They guy the vanished after i quoted him said that was impossible to them to sign Gost and Allen and be under the cap. I showed him that is possible.

And IF they need money, they can convert part of Gilmore's money into SB ...

Even a JE and KVN can bring a little more money ..

supafly said:

According to Hannable, the 5.5m dollar figure does not account for the recent signings, so I think we’re going to see some space freed up within the next couple/few days.

Hannable: Patriots’ current cap space problems can be traced back to poor drafting in recent seasons

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''As of Sunday, the Patriots are said to have $5.5 million in cap space, but that doesn’t factor in all of their signings the last few days.''

He can't know that.

Miguel said that it can account for 1-5 ''new'' guys. This number can account for Dorsett, Simon and Pennel but not Brooks. Or can account for all of them, or just one of them.

Miguel doesn't know and i trust him more than this hater.

patsbrasilpatriotas said:

''As of Sunday, the Patriots are said to have $5.5 million in cap space, but that doesn’t factor in all of their signings the last few days.''

He can't know that.

Miguel said that it can account for 1-5 ''new'' guys. This number can account for Dorsett, Simon and Pennel but not Brooks. Or can account for all of them, or just one of them.

Miguel doesn't know and i trust him more than this hater.

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My guess would be it accounts for all but maybe Dorsett since there was nothing official yet he is signed.

supafly said:

According to Hannable, the 5.5m dollar figure does not account for the recent signings, so I think we’re going to see some space freed up within the next couple/few days.

Hannable: Patriots’ current cap space problems can be traced back to poor drafting in recent seasons

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Hannable is annoying.

supafly said:

The one and only reason why anyone wants them to clear out more space is due to the fact that they believe that certain players or positions should be improved upon, and that there’s no available space to do so.

If you don’t subscribe to that theory and are happy with missing out on a vet receiver, edge player, swing tackle, etc, then there’s really no issue. Of course, we’d like to keep our current kicker, punter, and at least one of Humber, McClellan, so those should likely take immediate priority.

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I think its safe to assume that a lot of this will be filled through the draft.
As an example I think WR/TE probably needs 3 more solid players I think at least one should a vet. If we added one vet WR and drafted a WR and a TE in the first 3 RDS then I think you'd be pretty good at those spots maybe a few more camp bodies.

signbabybrady said:

I think its safe to assume that a lot of this will be filled through the draft.
As an example I think WR/TE probably needs 3 more solid players I think at least one should a vet. If we added one vet WR and drafted a WR and a TE in the first 3 RDS then I think you'd be pretty good at those spots maybe a few more camp bodies.

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all can be filled through the draft. I don't see the issue. Enough capspace can be created with simple restructures and extensions. Aside from maybe cutting Ebner (signing Brooks), Patriots don't need to make major cuts or moves to have enough caproom to sign some vets for depth and their draft class. Sure Houston for 15 APY or so isn't in the cards but we don't need that type of signing to win the Super Bowl.

SBLIII said:

all can be filled through the draft. I don't see the issue. Enough capspace can be created with simple restructures and extensions. Aside from maybe cutting Ebner (signing Brooks), Patriots don't need to make major cuts or moves to have enough caproom to sign some vets for depth and their draft class. Sure Houston for 15 APY or so isn't in the cards but we don't need that type of signing to win the Super Bowl.

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I think most all can be. I would think at least one vet from WR/TE. Also without the inside knowledge on Wynn Tackle might need a vet too.

signbabybrady said:

I think most all can be. I would think at least one vet from WR/TE. Also without the inside knowledge on Wynn Tackle might need a vet too.

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Wynn already lost one cheap year so unless there's injury disaster he's starting at LT.

Still i believe they'll draft one more top, versatile OL prospect (Risner, Lindstrom) with one of the first picks - for insurance & Dante development reasons & to give them good leverage for Thuney FA coming. They might also draft another center on day 3 (should be very solid ones there) in case they are not high on Karras (also becoming FA next year)..

long distance said:

Wynn already lost one cheap year so unless there's injury disaster he's starting at LT.

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Not panicking I assume they would have tagged Brown if they didn't trust Wynn could start but I don't have that inside knowledge. That's all I meant.

@ earlier com pick discussion

completely agree w Miguel

So Miguel has it at 9M and only one contract + Dorsett missing..

looks quite healthier than some suggested even if the missing ones are Pennel and Dorsett . would be surprised if combined cap hit of the 2 missing is over 5M (51 rule incl.)

supafly said:

According to Hannable, the 5.5m dollar figure does not account for the recent signings, so I think we’re going to see some space freed up within the next couple/few days.

Hannable: Patriots’ current cap space problems can be traced back to poor drafting in recent seasons

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long distance said:

So Miguel has it at 9M and only one contract + Dorsett missing..

looks quite healthier than some suggested even if the missing ones are Pennel and Dorsett . would be surprised if combined cap hit of the 2 missing is over 5M (51 rule incl.)

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It definitely looks healthier than expected, but in his first tweet I assume that "Does account for 3 of these four" indicates that one of those contracts wasn't included (along with Dorsett).

WinstonSmith said:

It definitely looks healthier than expected, but in his first tweet I assume that "Does account for 3 of these four" indicates that one of those contracts wasn't included (along with Dorsett).

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I was thinking it was about the same as expected.

It seems about zero, given these four signings and draft picks.

Maybe a million or two, but not more.

EDIT - Yes WinstonSmith is correct. I read the post backwards.

Family said:

I was thinking it was about the same as expected.

It seems about zero, given these four signings and draft picks.

Maybe a million or two, but not more.

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I think that you misread the tweet or the point that long distance was making.

The 5.5 million number which was reported without context apparently didn't include the cap savings from Clayborn's release. $8,952,596 with one small contract unaccounted for (3 of the 4 accounted for) is healthier than 5.5 million even if it accounts for all 4 contracts.

The Patriots still have cap issues but this is good news for the folks that thought that 5.5 million was the more accurate number.

in addition this is significantly better contract for NE than I expected (considering what Brown got in NO). Its almost hard to believe they got him for 2.5 apy (half the Brown money) and could be exactly what they were looking for the last 2 years. Such pleasure to watch BB opperate..

ATippett56 said:

New England Patriots 2019 Salary Cap

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Why do you hate your fellow Patriots fans?