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Yes. And a guy like Kraft should’ve known the difference.
Most of us would have

And honestly, this appears to be a place where the girls stayed in their rooms and serviced men. As stated by the police, the conditions were unhygienic. It must have stunk in there.

What I don't understand is that why men like Kraft, and the ex-CEO of Citi-bank (or Chase?) went to such a place. The must get off on something like that, much like George Michael did when looking for a guy in stinky public bathroom.
 
This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. If this is some moronic insulting reference to the Jets, maybe your jumbled brain hasn't noticed but they've been insignificant for a long time. In fact, they've never won a Lombardi so what's your insulting point? Before you run to your keyboard to correct me, Lombardi was still alive when Namath won his SB.

Here's a jumble for you that makes some sense:

Joker = JERKO

BTW, I've been a Pats fan a long time.
You better watch out who you choose to insult here -- Joker is an official Patsfans.com Member Emeritus. Besides, it's not his fault you inadvisably chose a screen name evoking Jete.
 
The old "hey I was paying her for her companionship, the sex part was free" is not really a plausible defense to solicitation. Your above suggestion that he was paying for the massage and they sex part was free is the same vein.

Johns in every prostitution case will try that line of argument and fail.
 
After 89 pages, I’m just gonna throw in my two cents on a couple of topics. Pardon me if this has been a raised before but I have not seen it.
1. My guess is the reason Kraft and all these other billionaires used this place is because of the anonymity it offered. Dress down a bit, put on sunglasses and the staff is entirely made up of Asian women, Many of whom don’t speak English. Very little chance they’re going to recognize Kraft, much less these other rich guys.
2. A lot of people are talking about what’s on the video tape and what the prosecution can or cannot prove. The chances are, the masseuse who actually rendered the services is going to sing like the proverbial canary to the police, along with a lot of other lower level functionaries at that place or in the trafficking ring . There is nothing “circumstantial” about a woman saying, I performed sex with that man for money against my will. I understand it is only a misdemeanor but if this case gets plead out quickly or thrown out, it’s not gonna be because of lack of evidence .


No way the Asian workers say a thing. They are smuggled in by Chinese gangs, who threaten their families back in China with retribution. Believe me, I have dealt with this stuff for almost 30 years. This case will fall apart under scrutiny. They always claim "sex trafficking" but they never prove it. In the end, Kraft is guilty of patronizing a "rub and tug" establishment, he will plead to a misdemeanor charge and that will be it.

Stupid of Kraft to go here. With his wealth, I'm sure he can easily find a woman who would perform this service for him.

It always amazes me, when men of power get mixed up with women who trade sex for money and then they are shocked, when the same women trade their secrets for money!
 
While Jupiter is 80 miles north of Miami ironically the majority of people in this county (Palm Beach) are Jets/Giants fans. I joke this is southern borough of New York. Lots of Jersey too. #1 downfall.
Hmmm... I have never met a Jets fan in 13 years living here, but you are right about the Giants, at least in snowbird season. I'd say it's maybe 60:30:10 Dolphins: Giants : Patriots.
 
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You better watch out who you choose to insult here -- Joker is an official Patsfans.com Member Emeritus. Besides, it's not his fault you inadvisably chose a screen name evoking Jete.

OMG! I didn't know how lofty his perch was on a football board. He's important...rolls eyes. It's even more pathetic if he thinks he's important because of it.

I see he chose Vito for an avatar but Fredo is more fitting IMO.
 
Tunescribe does that to anyone who doesn't care for Joker's unfunny rambles.
 
I don't think Kraft is Man #12. I would be surprised if he wasn't already in Kansas City the morning of the AFCCG. Sure, it's possible to get there for the 6:20 or so kickoff leaving Florida early afternoon, but to me it seems more likely that he was in KC by then.

I've looked at the stories and videos of the Patriots plan landing on Saturday but it is hard to say one way or another if RK was there.
 
"Watch who you insult, he's been here for 15 years!"

Like anyone should care.
 
OMG! I didn't know how lofty his perch was on a football board. He's important...rolls eyes. It's even more pathetic if he thinks he's important because of it.

I see he chose Vito for an avatar but Fredo is more fitting IMO.

I don't want to speak for Joker but I don't think he'd say he thinks he's important because of his standing around here.

But as poor Simpleton has found out, the board is a more fun place when you're not on his bad side. And you don't want to have to put him on ignore because you miss a lot of good content that way.

I remember when I first joined, after (and because of) DeflateGate, there was a video of a guy screaming obscenities at Goodell as he was walking out of the courthouse, and everyone on here was saying it was Joker. I eventually learned (I think) that wasn't the case, but it was a good way to get a first impression.
 
Has Portnoy come out with "Orchids of Asia" t-shirts yet?
 
saw that...plus some guy named Buglione...you'd thing HE'D know the place was bugged
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Now see, I don't see a distinction there. What's the actual diference between a kidnapping hostage and an economic hostage again?

Agency. In one case, you had a choice; the other, you had no choice.
 
Started out as a somewhat reasonable public service announcement that there’s nothing wrong with Kraft for having urges at his age and that biologically there is nothing weird about it. Then took a really strange turn at the end by saying that throughout human history, the price of women is at its highest at they approach puberty and the price decreases the further they get from that. Not sure if it’s true or not but was disturbing and didn’t belong in this context. Also the poster seemed to be a little too personally invested in it..it was just weird.

You forgot to add the part about the poster using ' Japanese men enjoy buying school girl's underwear for sniffing ' as some sort of defense of his bizarre position.
 
After 89 pages, I’m just gonna throw in my two cents on a couple of topics. Pardon me if this has been a raised before but I have not seen it.
1. My guess is the reason Kraft and all these other billionaires used this place is because of the anonymity it offered. Dress down a bit, put on sunglasses and the staff is entirely made up of Asian women, Many of whom don’t speak English. Very little chance they’re going to recognize Kraft, much less these other rich guys.
2. A lot of people are talking about what’s on the video tape and what the prosecution can or cannot prove. The chances are, the masseuse who actually rendered the services is going to sing like the proverbial canary to the police, along with a lot of other lower level functionaries at that place or in the trafficking ring . There is nothing “circumstantial” about a woman saying, I performed sex with that man for money against my will. I understand it is only a misdemeanor but if this case gets plead out quickly or thrown out, it’s not gonna be because of lack of evidence .
It is a misdemeanor. Everyone who is worried about poor Fredo getting jail time or probation need not worry. His money and lawyers will take care of that.

What he needs to be worried about is when the deplorable details of the HUMAN sex trafficking comes out and Fredo’s name is attached to it he will take a big hit in public opinion but more so in business dealings and his standing in the NFL
 
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It is time ... pass the baton to Jonathan and step out of the limelight. Robert Kraft you have made a big mistake and got caught in a bigger crime of human trafficking, bigger than the misdemeanor of solicitation. You will be fined and suspended by the league. Make your Mea Kulpa's and do the right thing and step down. You are the lightning rod for all the hate against the Patriots. You are 77 and you will still own the Patriots, but for the good of the Franchise you need to step down. Enjoy your life and the billions you have accumulated. Head up the Charitable foundation and enjoy the philanthropy you are known for.
 
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