Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

Not in the next 2 years I think. The NFL PR team will need to mitigate this before they can indict him. I’m guessing he won’t.

Impossible to tell until we see how big of a deal the media makes of the situation long term. The punishment received will be a factor.

If he is to be kept out because of this it is complete ********.

No, the pooch has been screwed

Ochmed Jones said:

2 billionaires getting a happy ending in that low class establishment is just bizarre.

There has to be something else drawing in clients.

There are 80 billion tons of drugs flowing through Florida on any given day without any fear of the police making any arrests.

Yet the police somehow find time to stake out a low class day spa??? Again something else is going on here.

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What is so unusual about the notion that the police were staking our a human trafficking ring? And what does Florida’s drug problem have to do with any of this? You don’t stop enforcing other laws just because there are drugs pouring into the state.

He has been out of my personal Hall of Fame since May 2015.

This story will be a footnote in a few years time. What it did is make him wait an extra couple of years. So it really comes down to how long he’s got left. I figure he gets in at about 82-85 years of age.

supafly said:

No, but it can help you purchase your sexual acts from better looking women in better looking places.

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Some guys don’t want better looking girls from better looking places. Hugh Grant was dating a supermodel but he paid $60 to get a blow job from one of the nastiest looking skanks imaginable.

nabwong said:

Not in the next 2 years I think. The NFL PR team will need to mitigate this before they can indict him. I’m guessing he won’t.

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I think you meant induct. He already has an indictment....

BobDigital said:

#3 The police didn't do a good job here. They had a case on all these place for months. Yet they allowed the service to continue and continue. What were they waiting for? Why let it go on? Was it just to up the arrest numbers on Johns? If so that is a pretty crappy reason. I think questions should be ask about the investigation.

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We can't possibly make a responsible evaluation like that, given that we know maybe 10% of what's actually gone into their work at this point.

If you read today's quotes from the law officers involved, they are fed up with the trafficking and sex trade in their jurisdiction. There's an expression of anger that we rarely get from that profession. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

Owners don't deserve to be in, anyways.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Started out as a somewhat reasonable public service announcement that there’s nothing wrong with Kraft for having urges at his age and that biologically there is nothing weird about it. Then took a really strange turn at the end by saying that throughout human history, the price of women is at its highest at they approach puberty and the price decreases the further they get from that. Not sure if it’s true or not but was disturbing and didn’t belong in this context. Also the poster seemed to be a little too personally invested in it..it was just weird.

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That’s wild, who was OP? Does anyone have a screenshot of it?

Adam Seward said:

That’s wild, who was OP? Does anyone have a screenshot of it?

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I don’t remember his exact name. Didn’t recognize him but he had a reasonably long posting history. If I recall it was some generic name like Pats Fan with a number.

Jerry Jones isn't exactly a pillar of morality, having seen some stories on sexual misconduct/assault and conduct with strippers/prostitutes himself. If he got in despite that, and enjoyed a fraction of the success of Kraft in the NFL, then this should not affect Kraft.

With that said, I tend to agree owners should not be in the Hall of Fame, unless they have some hand in creating/developing a survivable NFL. Oftentimes, the best owners simply stay out of the head coach's way. It is odd to reward those who simply exercise restraint.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

If this is accurate, this is not an open and shut case. According to the report, he paid in advance. Other guys handed cash directly to the masseuse/prostitute after the act. It should be pointed out that massages cost money.

I’m not sure this is even a real trial since it’s just a misdemeanor, though. I imagine the judge just makes a decision within a few minutes, and this isn’t a beyond reasonable doubt standard?

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That is what I was also thinking and why I spelled it out that way.

Even w/o this current transgression, I wouldn’t think he deserves it (nor does JJ). Intellectually, I understand the entire « good organisations start from the top » etc etc...

But if Kraft has decided to not choose BB (as was a possibility according to the Two Bills documentary), he’d have nothing. Yes, he made a brilliant move hiring BB and giving him the keys. But since then, BB is the architect and Kraft signs the checks.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

If this is accurate, this is not an open and shut case. According to the report, he paid in advance. Other guys handed cash directly to the masseuse/prostitute after the act. It should be pointed out that massages cost money.

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Except the video evidence shows the act being performed, at least according to the police chief.

I think he does eventually.

TennisBallHead said:

Owners don't deserve to be in, anyways.

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Not a bad thought. Maybe contributor should only be put in once every three years or something so they don’t take spots from players and coaches.

Brewskies said:

WOW, there are statements being made that this is the worst owner situation in sports worse than the remarks of the former Clippers owner. The former Clippers owner was forced to sell his team. So what is in store for Kraft by the NFL where some owners don't like him?

The press is beating this to death.

Go Pats

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Do you have a source? I don't watch news channels but I have been looking on CNN, Fox News, E!SPN, and Google's news and I am just not seeing much national coverage. I am not discounting what you're saying, I am just stating I haven't seen it. Deflategate, THAT was roasted in the press since I couldn't open a website without seeing stories on it.

As far as the arguments back and forth, for me it's : I don't believe people who purchased drugs for personal use funded 9/11. Hence, I do not believe a guy paying for a little extra from a massage parlor is responsible for all of the human trafficking in the world.

wheresmosi said:

One thing I haven't seen discussed much (though I skipped over several pages), is why would he deny this, given that they allegedly have him on film. .

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It is a misdemeanor, and the misdemeanor does not carry much bite. It is possible there was no film on him (there is film generally in the investigation), in which case he may have done nothing at all or is willing to role the dice on an acquittal.

If there is video on Kraft (and it clearly shows Kraft in the act), then the State really has only the embarrassment value, as a conviction really does little in terms of Kraft's liberty. Denying this conduct and then paying a large sum to victim issues confidentially in exchange for a dismissal would be another tactic. He claims it didn't happen, and the State claims its own victory for victim causes.

The end users in human trafficking are not the primary targets of investigations (law enforcement wants to bury the traffickers). The investigations seek the big fish. Misdemeanors are easily dismissed, as they are a step up from motor vehicle violations.