Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

Triumph said:

I just read that Kraft wont be arrested if thats true.

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My understanding is his lawyer will be contacting authorities in FL and Kraft will show up in court and make his plea there.

I suspect there will be no mugshots or fingerprinting

PatsSox363804 said:

And yet we still had prostitution and the bloodiest wars in history, but yes a few dirty words and people getting divorced is the real problem.

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Sex trafficking is a huge problem in the country today. Involving the underage.

Triumph said:

Sex trafficking is a huge problem in the country today. Involving the underage.

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Yes it is, this isn’t a new thing though we used to just call it slavery.

Triumph said:

Its embarrassing.

My truck has Pats stuff all over it. Some guy in another car rolled his window down and asked me where he could get a massage. Before, I used to get the finger when they saw me on the road.

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How much did he end up paying you for it?

Triumph said:

Sex trafficking is a huge problem in the country today. Involving the underage.

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I think this is the common ground we can all agree on, political spectrum aside. The best estimate is that there are 403,000 people living in conditions of modern slavery in the United States, and 40M worldwide. Much of it is at the intersection of sex and economics.

This is the problem with the mindset that "Kraft was just getting a tug to finish the massage." We can't be innocent consumers of those services given the larger context.

Ivan said:

How much did he end up paying you for it?

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$50

Already donated to CPAC so dont ask to borrow lunch money.

betterthanthealternative said:

I think this is the common ground we can all agree on, political spectrum aside. In the US, the best estimate is that there are 403,000 people living in conditions of modern slavery in the United States, and 40M worldwide. Much of it is at the intersection of sex and economics.

This is the problem with the mindset that "Kraft was just getting a tug to finish the massage." We can't be innocent consumers of those services given the larger context.

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Right it should be used to bring more awareness to the issue but it doesn’t automatically mean Kraft knew that was what was going on. There’s a ton a massage parlors in this country and not all the women are trafficked.

PatsSox363804 said:

Yes it is, this isn’t a new thing though we used to just call it slavery.

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The county where I live is the US hub of sex trade.

You would never suspect it in a million years. Prior to 2008, it was in the top 10 fastest growing counties in the US. People dont know whats going on right under their noses.

Triumph said:

The county where I live is the US hub of sex trade.

You would never suspect it in a million years. Prior to 2008, it was in the top 10 fastest growing counties in the US. People dont know whats going on right under their noses.

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No one is arguing that it isn’t disgusting and horrific.

PatsSox363804 said:

And yet we still had prostitution and the bloodiest wars in history, but yes a few dirty words and people getting divorced is the real problem.

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I am almost afraid of looking up which of the dinks I put on my ignore list you are responding to. Jesus..

PatsSox363804 said:

Right it should be used to bring more awareness to the issue but it doesn’t automatically mean Kraft knew that was what was going on. There’s a ton a massage parlors in this country and not all the women are trafficked.

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No, it doesn't mean he knew what was going on. The question we have to ask ourselves is about his responsibility, as a citizen with full access to the information, for knowing what he was contributing to (a US sex trade that is at least in part connected to slavery and coercion.)

And to be clear, the information that's coming out now from authorities down there is that this was far more than just happy endings to massages.

“I would never consider them prostitutes — it was really a rescue operation,” the sheriff said, training his anger at the men whose demand for sex kept the massage parlors in business. “The monsters are the men,” he added.

betterthanthealternative said:

No, it doesn't mean he knew what was going on. The question we have to ask ourselves is about his responsibility, as a citizen with full access to the information, for knowing what he was contributing to (a US sex trade that is at least in part connected to slavery and coercion.)

And to be clear, the information that's coming out now from authorities down there is that this was far more than just happy endings to massages.

“I would never consider them prostitutes — it was really a rescue operation,” the sheriff said, training his anger at the men whose demand for sex kept the massage parlors in business. “The monsters are the men,” he added.

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Yes no one is blaming the victims and they should use Krafts profile to bring more awareness to the issue and he should apologize profusely.

What should not happen is assume facts not in evidence to give Goodell and those with their knives out reason to use it to hurt the Patriots on the field.

PatsSox363804 said:

The Redskins had cheerleaders who claimed they were basically pimped out in Costa Rica and last I checked Snyder still owns the team. Kraft isn’t getting kicked out for a rub and tug. Probably get fined and thrown off some committees, maybe a suspension for a couple games.

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Snyder was not on every TV in the country.

One-If-By-Sea said:

Agreed. But Bob's fantasy did not include "privacy and quality". It included something inside the strip mall, so he and lots of others, went there.

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One-If-By-Sea said:

Yup. He could have hired 3 dominatrix. But when you are out of touch with your feelings, you just keep replaying the fantasy. And Bob's fantasy was in a strip mall.

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What Bob did was so stupid and risky, it got me thinking "why" and that could be the answer: It excited him to be just a regular joe and do something street-level dirty.

PatsSox363804 said:

No one is arguing that it isn’t disgusting and horrific.

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Not my point.

The disease has spread.

I’ve been telling you guys for years that Hitler is alive and well, living in miami. He obviously orchestrated this. I smell a rat the size of a Dolphin

Sex trade is the fastest growing crime in the world.

The Fastest Growing Crime That No One Is Talking About, and the Shocking Stats Behind It

Tunescribe said:

What Bob did was so stupid and risky, it got me thinking "why" and that could be the answer: It excited him to be just a regular joe and do something street-level dirty.

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Do you think he knows any good spots up here in Massachusetts? Asking for a friend...

If Bob stays as owner i hope he goes full on ric flair and starts cutting sick nature boy promos after the games. “Ill take home any one of you ladies in the audience and give ya the thrill of your life, even that fat one sittin right there!”

I believe we’re going to find out kraft is telling the truth