Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

Satchboogie3 said:

I still don't see where the shame comes in... Its just sex and soliciting is just a mistameaner. If someone is offended by it they can go pound sand. People in this country are offended by everything.

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An extremely powerful man taking advantage of weak sex slaves ...
I think you're missing it ... he's not just some average joe looking for a handy.

shmessy said:

I would say, all this gives the Pats the motivation to go all in on another "F**K You!!" tour next season...........oh wait.....


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I can see them in the huddle:

TB: let's go boys, let's win this one for BK to restore his honor,
Gronky: Mr. Kraft is some crazy azz dude, I've gotta invite him on the party bus;
JE11 (shouting): he's too old, he's too old.
Flash: damn bro I thought I had problems.

Satchboogie3 said:

I still don't see where the shame comes in... Its just sex and soliciting is just a mistameaner. If someone is offended by it they can go pound sand. People in this country are offended by everything.

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You say that but Robert Kraft is a big time public figure. This stuff is amplified when it is someone that notable, obviously. And fair or not the consequences and shame are far worse.

The other part is that sex trafficking was involved. I do not believe Robert had any involvement in that but as far as knowledge or suspicion of it? Still probably not but it's not out of the realm of possibility. He was an utter fool to involve himself in prostitution, assuming the allegations are true. Dunce who shamed his family and organization for a *.

https://deadspin.com/robert-kraft-donated-100-000-to-a-massachusetts-anti-s-1832829075

Robert Kraft Donated $100,000 To A Massachusetts Anti-Sex Trafficking Group In 2015

"That gift was part of a larger campaign by the New England Patriots Charitable Foundation, which gave $1.6 million to various charities related to domestic violence and sexual exploitation.

Kraft’s donation, My Life My Choice said in a 2015 statement, allowed it to “add a new survivor mentor, which will allow them help 20 new exploited girls find stability, safety and hope as they move forward in life.”

The program “pairs exploited youth, or youth suspected of being exploited, with an adult female survivor of the commercial sex industry” who helps them deal with the trauma of having been trafficked and develop life skills, per the group’s website."

Tunescribe said:

I can, easily. He was not there acting in an official capacity, he was acting on his own personal behalf as a flawed human being. I would say the same about Irsay and Jones -- their personal screw-ups on their own time don't logically translate to people making fun of their teams.

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Well more power to you, my point isn't trying to say how anyone on here should feel. I'm just trying to make sure everyone knows what the rest of the country feels, sports fans or otherwise. A few people on here have said "This isn't a big deal" or "This will be a footnote in Kraft's history". Those are both flat out wrong and we in the Patriots bubble shouldn't delude ourselves.

Again, I long stopped caring what other teams think about the Patriots after all the crazy stories that have come out over the years. But there's a difference between not caring and pretending it's not happening.

IcyPatriot said:

I am inclined to think this Bob Kraft did not consider it it.
A younger Bob Kraft probably would have ... the media will be vicious.

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This whole narrative is absurd right now. Equivalent to the following:

Joe Schmo was looking to score some weed, so he bought some from a dealer near the railroad tracks. It turns out the dealer from the railroad tracks had murdered three people earlier that day to steal a massive amount of weed. Joe Schmo is involved in drugs and murder.

The answer as to whether or not Kraft knew is already contained in his charges, which is solicitation and not any type of sex trafficking, conspiracy for sex trafficking, failure to report sex trafficking, etc.

Did the “sting operation” actually arrest the sex traffickers, or are they just content with releasing all the johns names to embarrass them? I have a feeling this PD will end up eating **** and deservedly so. They are obviously trying to implicate Kraft for things way beyond his actual crime, if he did commit the crime of solicitation. They let the sex slaves continue to service johns as whores to serve their own ends, which was to flex their muscles. The operation should have been shut down and the traffickers arrested immediately. The women appear to have been used by the PD as whores...I’ve never heard of anything as stupid as this. Secretly recording sex sessions? This law enforcement team is going to wind up as the villains, mark my words.

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heh...I'd really like to pontificate with all you Moral Mountain Climbers but....I'm just interested in getting credit for the 2019 Patriot slogan...

COMIN' FOR SEVEN!

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

This whole narrative is absurd right now. Equivalent to the following:

Joe Schmo was looking to score some weed, so he bought some from a dealer near the railroad tracks. It turns out the dealer from the railroad tracks had murdered three people earlier that day to steal a massive amount of weed. Joe Schmo is involved in drugs and murder.

The answer as to whether or not Kraft knew is already contained in his charges, which is solicitation and not any type of sex trafficking, conspiracy for sex trafficking, failure to report sex trafficking, etc.

Did the “sting operation” actually arrest the sex traffickers, or are they just content with releasing all the johns names to embarrass them? I have a feeling this PD will end up eating **** and deservedly so. They are obviously trying to implicate Kraft for things way beyond his actual crime, if he did commit the crime of solicitation. They let the sex slaves continue to service johns as whores to serve their own ends, which was to flex their muscles. The operation should have been shut down and the traffickers arrested immediately. The women appear to have been used by the PD as whores...I’ve never heard of anything as stupid as this. Secretly recording sex sessions? This law enforcement team is going to wind up as the villains, mark my words.

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IcyPatriot said:

https://deadspin.com/robert-kraft-donated-100-000-to-a-massachusetts-anti-s-1832829075

Robert Kraft Donated $100,000 To A Massachusetts Anti-Sex Trafficking Group In 2015

"That gift was part of a larger campaign by the New England Patriots Charitable Foundation, which gave $1.6 million to various charities related to domestic violence and sexual exploitation.

Kraft’s donation, My Life My Choice said in a 2015 statement, allowed it to “add a new survivor mentor, which will allow them help 20 new exploited girls find stability, safety and hope as they move forward in life.”

The program “pairs exploited youth, or youth suspected of being exploited, with an adult female survivor of the commercial sex industry” who helps them deal with the trauma of having been trafficked and develop life skills, per the group’s website."

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And that makes it worse. If you are displaying awareness and donating to such a cause, reason would suggest that "hey these could be sex slaves, probably shouldn't get involved in this". I hope Bob steps down and I hope Jonathan has a better moral compass or at least judgement.

BUSTAMOVE said:

I am personally not taking this lightly. I have had season tickets for 25 years. Kraft constantly demand’s that STH act with dignity and respect or your tickets will be revoked. Personally I think that is a good thing. But I have seen people lose their tickets for pissing in a sink.
We draft all team captains because we want players with good morals and values. That is how they became team leaders. We stress that our players not become distractions by getting into legal trouble which warrants a one way ticket out of Foxboro. Christ Moss got send home for being 15 minutes late in a snow storm. I like these strict rules and penalties for it is the Patriot Way.
Unfortunately our higher than holy owner has the attitude of “Do as I say, not as I do”. This is no minor ordeal He got freakin caught in a Human Trafficing Ring Sting. Not to forget that he was totally ****faced at the trophy presentation.
Jonathon has to take FREDO out for a boat ride. Enough is enough

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Like you I'm a 25-year season ticket holder. I know what you're saying but I wouldn't be too righteous calling Bob out over what he did here. Clearly, he is not of sound mind. As for him allegedly being drunk at the trophy presentation, I wouldn't leap to that conclusion either. While it might be true, I've seen him in other envrionments where his speech pattern is a bit slow; there might be a medical explanation for some of this.

IcyPatriot said:

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Hard to apply that when intent is the entire core of this particular law, and when knowledge is the entire question about his ties to all-out sex trafficking.

"Bob....take your finger out of my ass....



so...the owner of the team I have followed my entire life is a dirty slut...SO WHAT? Millions of Indy supermorons LOVE their drug addicted, sloppy drunk, serial sex abusing moron. I cannot wait for Goondell to "come down" on Bobby BigBalls...THAT will be the real story of the year

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Hard to apply that when intent is the entire core of this particular law, and when knowledge is the entire question about his ties to all-out sex trafficking.

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He has no ties ... just an old fool whose brain relocated to a lower extremity.
I'm not judging the man ... I'm just pointing out how he will be used and judged in the media.

Look at the bright side, now Kraft doesn't have to feel left out when it comes to Patriot scandals. Granted, this is a bit worse than Belichick and Brady cheating.

It's becoming difficult to root for these scumbags.

TennisBallHead said:

Look at the bright side, now Kraft doesn't have to feel left out when it comes to Patriot scandals. Granted, this is a bit worse than Belichick and Brady cheating.

It's becoming difficult to root for these scumbags.

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Nobody asked you.

TennisBallHead said:

Look at the bright side, now Kraft doesn't have to feel left out when it comes to Patriot scandals. Granted, this is a bit worse than Belichick and Brady cheating.

It's becoming difficult to root for these scumbags.

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I think I speak for everyone here in urging you to root for another team instead. It’s become too difficult, so I’d just move on if I were you.

TennisBallHead said:

Look at the bright side, now Kraft doesn't have to feel left out when it comes to Patriot scandals. Granted, this is a bit worse than Belichick and Brady cheating.

It's becoming difficult to root for these scumbags.

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Bob Kraft is far from a scumbag ...
The good this man has done in his life is beyond amazing ...
This lapse in judgement will cost him good publicity in what few years he has left.
What he has been a part in this instance is wrong - there's no sugar coating it.

Joker said:

"Bob....take your finger out of my ass....

so...the owner of the team I have followed my entire life is a dirty slut...SO WHAT? Millions of Indy supermorons LOVE their drug addicted, sloppy drunk, serial sex abusing moron. I cannot wait for Goondell to "come down" on Bobby BigBalls...THAT will be the real story of the year

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I don't disagree with you. He is a dirty slut. It doesn't take away from the team's accomplishments like SpyGate and DeflateGate truthers try to do. That is the **** that does bother me.

I'm not shocked that a billionaire like him is up to that kind of ****. It still is a shame for his family and the organization. Yet it doesn't take away from our team's accomplishments.

somebody should stick a can of tennis balls up this azzole's flatulent expressway....