NFL "Turning Point" Super Bowl LIII

Watching these videos on the super bowl I am struck by how little respect the team and coaches had for Goff.

QuantumMechanic said:

Wasn't even 6 inches. More like 2.

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That's what she said?

I am so hard right now.

even more soundbites i didnt see in other clips in turning point and elsewhere

SVN said:

even more soundbites i didnt see in other clips in turning point and elsewhere

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The ending is perfect ... “how many times you think you win the Super Bowl?”

Just watched that one from nfl films.

What a stark difference between these two teams. Belichick is always giving technical advice, coaching the defense to stay vertical in the rush, talking about tight ends on their side who can’t block so attack there. McVay didn’t say much other than he couldn’t wait to see what our plan was. When he said he got out coached, it’s almost a hysterical funny understatement.
I’m glad to have seen this because, I already knew bill is the best but seeing this showed me why and how he’s doing this, a little anyways

This is great stuff. Quote of the game from the ref to Patterson after the Zeuerlein field goal: "3 to 3. What the hell."

QuantumMechanic said:

Mmmmmmmmmmmm... 25:51.
(though not enough bounce to be real)

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Is she a celeb?

Great stuff. Still basking in the glow.

Patstastic said:

BB seemed very hesitant about sending Gost out for the FG. Not a good sign moving forward for Gost.

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Over the headset he was asking someone if they were 'good with a fg'. Was it Ernie Adams' advice he was seeking?

brdmaverick said:

Over the headset he was asking someone if they were 'good with a fg'. Was it Ernie Adams' advice he was seeking?

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Wouldn't it be Judge?

brdmaverick said:

Over the headset he was asking someone if they were 'good with a fg'. Was it Ernie Adams' advice he was seeking?

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I still can't believe that was an actual discussion. Under what scenario would not going up 2 scores be the right choice?

Elijah said:

I still can't believe that was an actual discussion. Under what scenario would not going up 2 scores be the right choice?

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The FG doesn't matter if you never give the other team the ball back. If you miss the FG the Rams have the ball with a chance to tie. BB or Brady made the right call to trust Gost but given another kicker like Parkey or something it would be easy to think gaining the few inches was a higher percentage play.
That night in the moment I debated with myself what the right call was.

signbabybrady said:

The FG doesn't matter if you never give the other team the ball back. If you miss the FG the Rams have the ball with a chance to tie. BB or Brady made the right call to trust Gost but given another kicker like Parkey or something it would be easy to think gaining the few inches was a higher percentage play.
That night in the moment I debated with myself what the right call was.

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I still think going up by 10 all but guarantees the victory in the same way being able to run out the clock does. Even another Miami Miracle would have required an additional one to tie the game.

You're right that if you have a kicker you don't trust the decision becomes closer, but you'd really like to think Gostkowski has that level of trust here by now after all he's done (and I've been one of his more vocal critics over the years). For the 2018 Patriots, a team that had trouble converting 4th and short in the past, it seemed to be a no brainer to me.

brdmaverick said:

Over the headset he was asking someone if they were 'good with a fg'. Was it Ernie Adams' advice he was seeking?

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It was Judge Bill was asking who was standing to his left.

Elijah said:

I still think going up by 10 all but guarantees the victory in the same way being able to run out the clock does. Even another Miami Miracle would have required an additional one to tie the game.

You're right that if you have a kicker you don't trust the decision becomes closer, but you'd really like to think Gostkowski has that level of trust here by now after all he's done (and I've been one of his more vocal critics over the years). For the 2018 Patriots, a team that had trouble converting 4th and short in the past, it seemed to be a no brainer to me.

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To me, it was a no brainer. Much higher odds of making that fg. Game over.
No debate. Nothing to think about.

Just finished watching that. My favorite part was when Slater and Edelman were hugging and you could see Slater tearing up when Edelman answered "yes" to the question of whether he was the MVP.

Elijah said:

I still think going up by 10 all but guarantees the victory in the same way being able to run out the clock does. Even another Miami Miracle would have required an additional one to tie the game.

You're right that if you have a kicker you don't trust the decision becomes closer, but you'd really like to think Gostkowski has that level of trust here by now after all he's done (and I've been one of his more vocal critics over the years). For the 2018 Patriots, a team that had trouble converting 4th and short in the past, it seemed to be a no brainer to me.

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I’m sure Belichick trusts Gostkowski but he missed one and the first one he made was shaky. If he missed, the Rams get the ball with decent starting field position. Even if he had attempted no kicks, and you trusted him fully, a 41 yard FG is not without risk (including a block, possibly returned a long way or even for a TD). I don’t think it’s so overwhelmingly safe as to not even debate whether or not a sneak or run or even a hard count to draw the offsides would have been a better/less risky move.

Elijah said:

I still think going up by 10 all but guarantees the victory in the same way being able to run out the clock does. Even another Miami Miracle would have required an additional one to tie the game.

You're right that if you have a kicker you don't trust the decision becomes closer, but you'd really like to think Gostkowski has that level of trust here by now after all he's done (and I've been one of his more vocal critics over the years). For the 2018 Patriots, a team that had trouble converting 4th and short in the past, it seemed to be a no brainer to me.

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I got into it with my friends and family that I was watching the game with. Nothing to talk about, take two score lead. That left the Rams with about 1:10 left, a 23 yr old kid QB and no time outs. No way they were gonna convert 10 points when they haven't even sniffed the red zone yet. To your point, even a Miami Miracle required another possession.

Elijah said:

I still can't believe that was an actual discussion. Under what scenario would not going up 2 scores be the right choice?

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Ultimately I side with the camp that says 'go with the field goal' but it definitely is worthy of discussion.

From a pure odds perspective, I suspect (I haven't done the research) that Brady's conversion rate on 3rd and 4th and inches with a QB sneak is at least the same if not more than Gost's field goal percentage from that range (and then factor in that he missed one earlier).

It was definitely a worthy debate.